Finished restoring 2 brass tire pumps early and late one

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Finished restoring 2 brass tire pumps early and late one
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Kuhn on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 10:29 am:

Here are two tire pumps I have recently acquired,both were nice original unrestored so it was easy to see the original finish of all the parts on them-brass plated,handle finish and colors etc.They are done as originally built.I need a hose and the fitting for the tire valve for the single barrel and a leather cup,anyone can help with those items to make it work?Would be greatly appreciated.The double barrel has AEOLUS on the top and three patent dates,2 of 1907,1908 and looks to be 1910,all in a nice stamping on the barrel at the top.Double barrel shown in 1917 parts book and this single barrel more than likely followed until Ford started making their brass tubed and double Ford script pump followed by the double Ford script STEEL barrel pump which looks identical and is painted all black.Hope you all enjoy,they were fun to do!Happy Mothers Day to all!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 11:06 am:

I bought some leather cups from a guy in Kansas years ago, but can't remember his name. I suspect he gets them from a farm supply. Maybe Steve Jelf would be able to help? When you get that double barrel working, let me know what you had to do to it. I can't get mine working, and I suspect it has something to do with the check valve between the two stages.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 11:15 am:

Once upon a time I could buy pump leathers here when we had a real hardware store, but I haven't shopped for any since they folded. I'd take the remains of the old ones to a saddle shop and have some new ones made, or buy the leather and cut my own. A Google search might find you an online source.

There was a guy selling tire pump hoses, with hardware, at Chickasha. Maybe somebody here will know who that was.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 11:19 am:

If you look carefully down by the leather where the shaft has not rubbed anywhere and the oil or grease film kept the air out to prevent galvonic corrosion, you may find that there are still traces of brass because the steel rods in these things were brass plated which is often an overlooked item. The restoration police look for that. There is a hardware store that specializes in new parts for oil lamps, pumps and the like mainly for the Amish I think. I can't remember the name but I do have their catalog somewhere. The small tube is the high pressure side and I think the thing pumps on both strokes up and down - I can't remember now. Yes the check valve is likely the issue. Mine worked "sorta" for awhile.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 11:23 am:

I forgot to warn folks that these double tube pumps have one or 2 fittings that are LEFT HAND THREAD and you can twist them off trying to get them apart. I am fairly certain that the small Octagon shaped fitting at the top of the small tube is left hand thread and one of the 2 threaded rings at the bottom of the pump have a left hand thread into the base as I recall. Unfortunately you can't see any of the threads so as to tell which way they are slanted to determine LH or RH threading.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 11:28 am:

The leather cups are easy to make. I made a couple for someone's gas pump a few years ago. I had to disassemble the pump for plating and the leather cups were so bad they just crumbled like old newspaper. I have a small stock of leather of various weights but you can use old boot or shoe leather too. Be sure to put the hair (smooth) side toward the cylinder.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eyssen - Abilene TX on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 11:52 am:

There is a place here in town that has some leathers. I have purchased a couple for lubesters that I have restored. Send me a PM with the diameter you need and I will see If I can find one. Otherwise like Ken says, you can make your own. I have done that also.
I think the hose is available from some of the vendors.
Regards, Tim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 12:15 pm:

Ken has the best solution. I have regularly used a hand pump for over the last 40 years that I replaced the leather in using a section of shoe leather. It is a fully serviceable and period period correct repair.
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 12:30 pm:

How to make your own cups:

http://www.vintagepumps.co.uk/page22.html

More advanced methods:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xFhThdnYqE

http://www.heritagefootpumps.co.uk/leather-washers

Purchase overseas:

http://www.base-camp.co.uk/Cups%20.htm

http://www.heritagefootpumps.co.uk/pump-washers

This eBay seller has a variety of sizes in lots of 1 to 5:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/m.html?_odkw=&_osacat=0&_armrs=1&_ssn=hootflipflopandf ly&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xpump+washers&_nkw=pump+washers&_saca t=0&_from=R40



Misc:

http://copperwasher.co.uk/leather-washers-cups-seals-2/

http://www.spiritburner.com/fusion/showtopic.php?tid/4501/

http://www.monarch-mclaren.com/cuppackings.html


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 01:16 pm:

Brass plating is bad deal. You get bubbles and rot and it wears off quickly. I get the parts nickel plated and simply varnish them with spar varnish. They look like brass. The steering column and shifting lever on our 1906 Moline is nickel plated steel with coat of varnish and it looks like brass.




brass


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick J. Gunter on Sunday, May 11, 2014 - 05:14 pm:

Does anyone know when what year the steel barreled pump was first used?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Griffin on Tuesday, May 13, 2014 - 12:03 am:

The Amish place referred to above is Lehman's, and they sell "cup leathers", which is what you're looking for. Original advertisements for the double-barreled Aeolus specified a 24" hose, I don't know what Ford supplied. There is no check valve between cylinders on the double-barrel pump; the small cylinder's cup leather is installed "backwards" to compress on the up stroke.

Sorry for the quick & dirty post, coffee shop is closing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Tuesday, May 13, 2014 - 04:18 pm:

Thomas,Very nice!! Bud.


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