"1922 Model T in France"

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 - 02:46 pm:

Hello to all.

Those who know me know that I do not have a model T Ford in working for a year and a half. The 1924 which I rode much was destroyed in an accident in 2012. I also have a 1912 restoration, but it is not over yet.

To find the pleasure of driving a Ford T, I just purchased a 1922 Touring . It is not perfect but it works well and I could thus participate in the next International concentration Ford T to be held Sarlat in France at the end of June.
For me, this is the first time I buy an old car that is not fully build a wreck .

This 1922 Ford is not from France but was imported from Colorado in 2008 by an English friend who had bought on EBay to participate in the centenary celebrations of the Ford Model T.

I would like some information about the past of this Ford. The only thing I know is that the former owner who restored died and he was living in Denver Colorado.

Are that one of you experienced this Ford ? Does someone " there to send me information on the history of my new 1922 ?

Thank you in advance.

Olivier (France)


Here is the 1922.



The 1922 license plate of origin .



The 1922 chassis side of my 1912 during restoration.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 - 04:34 pm:

Great buy :-)
Hope you and your family can enjoy this new car without much fear.. (maybe adding flashing lights to the rear would help)

What's the status of the '24? Unrepairable or can parts or all of it be saved? Did the insurance company treat you right?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Tuesday, May 20, 2014 - 08:47 pm:

Olivier, j'ai envoyé cette discussion à Dave Huson qui demeure en Colorado. Il a dit:

I did some double checking and I think that the car was maybe built by Dan Robitaille. Dan rebuilt a LOT of Ts and really did a super job. One small bit of history if that is the car. He was on a Denver Model T Tour above Golden on road 40 on a steep hill. One of his buffalo wheels came off and rolled down the hill. The wheel rolled into a service station and knocked a gas pump over. Dan retrieved the wheel and I believe went home. I believe that Dan told me later that he took the buffalo wheels off and went back to wooden wheels. Of coarse he could have put them back on when he sold the car .I understand that he sold to someone in England. Dan is still alive but I understand is suffering from severe medical problems and is no longer active in the T club. I always thought that he did the best upholstery work on Ts that I ever saw.

Je crois qu'il vaut mieux que tu prends directement contacte avec lui:

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/446785.html?1400632886


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Danial - Veneta OR US Earth Solar System on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 01:17 am:

That is a beautiful touring, Olivier!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 03:50 am:

Dick/Olivier, those wire wheels do not look like Buffalo wheels to me. Rather, the 6 wheel studs and the original style T hubcap would indicate some kind of reproduction wheels on standard wooden spoke hubs. This may change your investigations.

Just my observations.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 04:23 am:

Wonderful! Olivier! A car to drive during the interim until you get the '12 and '24 restored is as good a reason as any for model T Fords to multiply.

Family all doing well now?

Do drive carefully. And do enjoy! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 08:17 am:

Magnifique! Your "new" Touring is beautiful. I hope to have my '27 Runabout looking that nice soon.

A friend here in Barcelona tells me there is a man in France who restores wood spoked wheels. Do you happen to know who this is?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Wednesday, May 21, 2014 - 09:51 am:

Allan Bennett:

I guess I should have said a Buffalo STYLE wire wheel. I would not know one wire wheel from another. I just remember Dan loosing a WIRE STYLE WHEEL. It was not a 26 Ford Factory wire wheel. I can't believe that many model T tourings were shipped to England from Denver, but I guess it could have happened.
If Oliver could pin point the time his touring was shipped to England I might be able to verify
that is the car that Dan Robitailie restored.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 01:53 pm:

Oliver Chabanne:

Can you tell me about when your cars was shipped to England. I will do some more research as to the time that Dan Robitaille shipped his touring to England. there are VERY FEW old timers left in the Denver T Club. I joined in about 1975 and I can only think of about 6 still in the club.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Thursday, May 22, 2014 - 03:39 pm:

If Dan did the work it should be a great car, I've known Dan and his work for 30 years. Sorry to here of him medical problems.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 08:58 am:

Bob McDonald:

Dan not only did excellent work on Ts but also was wagon boss on some really neat week long tours in and around the Rocky Mountains. One of my all time favorite Robitaille tours was one to Aspen and over Independence Pass.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 01:30 pm:

Hello friends .

I will try to answer all your questions.

Just to have some additional information by Edward Gee , who is the person who sold me the car.

The Ford Model T was sold by eBay in 2008. Edward bought the children of the person who restored them which had been inherited . The names of children : Greg & Anita Mc Comas , but I do not know if it's the same name of the person who had restored . The car was in the home of his children, 15131 E Security way , AURORA .

On spoked wheels , the wheels are manufactured with these circles wheel Ford T , hubs attached to those original Ford T and welded wire spokes .
I do not want kept its wheels, and I have already started 4 wheel restored original wooden sticks . I also removed all the accessories that load the car as the second spare wheel. Personally, I like the Ford Model T that does not have too many accessories.




In short, I bought this model T in 1922 for use as often as possible . The level of restoration is not perfect but with this, I would be less " manic " and I could park without stick with it to monitor that no key . ( Yes, that's what I did with the 1924 " Rousset ").

My son Hugo has now forgotten the accident and asks every day for a ride in the Ford. My wife Pascale it more difficult to navigate in a Ford T. yet it has not yet done . It does not matter , I remain patient it will mount it when she feels ready . It must be said that for her, the accident is always present. Now she has taken are working but it pales his ankle every day . This week we are gone or a specialist ankle surgeon, the best in France . He told her she would have to consider a third operation to enable him to regain mobility in his ankle, then a fourth later to make it a cartilage graft . This is far from over for her.

On the Ford T " Rousset ." I finally won with insurance. It was very difficult and I had to prepare a big file to prove that the car deserved to be saved. FFVE ( French Federation of vintage vehicle) and an expert in vintage cars helped me in this process. So I finally managed to get almost a compensation equivalent to the damage caused to the car.

I will be completely rebuilt in 1924 " Rousset ." For now, I just collect the coins will be useful to me , and I would start only when I have all the parts. I do not want to restore both at the same time , so I finished first restore the 1912 , which should not delay because it only remains for me the seats , the hood and assemble the body on the chassis.
Chassis 1912 roll , here is a short video showing the first test in the small village of " Lonnac " or a workshop I shared with my brother, who restores him Touring 1917.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gk81KUSk8HU&list=UUJn4kEcoy0x6sfxOZlhNmPg

Lonnac video with 1922:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPa7OnkhEQ&list=UUJn4kEcoy0x6sfxOZlhNmPg

Thank you for answering so many of my request.
friendly

olivier

ERIC / I know the person who restores wooden wheels in France . It is Alain Monpied . I have to work that is excellent, perhaps a little expensive but really excellent. Here is a link to his website : http://www.charronnage.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 02:52 pm:

Olivier:

I will do some more checking and see if I can find out any thing more. If I remember correctly (dangerous) Dan Robiaille told me that the wheel that came off his car was held on by a hub cap. Your wire wheels are not. I checked the 2014 Denver Club Roster and find no one by the name of McComas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 02:52 pm:

Olivier:

I will do some more checking and see if I can find out any thing more. If I remember correctly (dangerous) Dan Robiaille told me that the wheel that came off his car was held on by a hub cap. Your wire wheels are not. I checked the 2014 Denver Club Roster and find no one by the name of McComas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 03:16 pm:

Olivier

Those are odd wire wheels. You might investigate well the condition and engineering of these. From the photo appears as standard Model T metal felloe from a wood wheel. (Note the spoke holes around the inside of the felloe).

And the hubs seem to have the wire spokes welded to the hubs, and probably the same is inside the felloe, as those wire spokes don't look like they are the adjustable kind, with a spoke nipple on the ends.

Just be safe. A new set of quality hickory wood spoke wheels would be nice. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 03:34 pm:

Dave, Mc Comas is the name of children. I think it is his daughter with her husband who is called Mc Comas, then the name of the person who restored the car is perhaps not Mc Comas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 03:36 pm:

Hello Dan, The wheels will soon be installed on the 22.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 04:18 pm:

I consider myself fairly brave, and those wheels scare me. Beautiful car, thought. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, May 23, 2014 - 11:49 pm:

Olivier,
While it saddens me that there are still problems from it, I still feel that you and your family are very fortunate that it was not worse. Risk is a part of life. To be seriously injured doing something you love to do, especially as a family, is sad. It would be far worse to not do things you love to do with your family. What happened to you as a family could have happened to anyone whether they had a model T or not.
My best wishes to you, to Pascale, and to Hugo.

I cannot help you with the history of your new car, I live too far from Colorado for that.
Those wheels scare me a bit also. Good for you to change them!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 03:00 am:

Olivier, thank you for the wheel rebuilding information.

I hope with the doctors skill that your wife's ankle will recover fully and that with time she will gain confidence and enjoy riding/driving the Model Ts again.

You do excellent restoration work, this is obvious in the videos. I do have a request - no matter how tight the engine is, please do not spin the engine by pushing the crank with your leg while the ignition is on. A backfire could cause devastating results to your knee.

Happy T'ing!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Constantine on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 11:00 am:

Oliver, it was not possible to fix your 1924 after the accident? Was the insurance money not enough to fix it? Where is your 1924 now?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 02:02 pm:

Constantine, sorry but I have a little trouble understanding your question, my translator is hard to translate. Ford model T 1924 home. I will make the repairs myself. It will still take me a long time to ride with, but I am patient and 1922 is there to make me wait.

Eric, for the start of 1912 with the foot, it is not good to do so but it must be said that the engine was completely rebuilt and the first crank revolutions were extremely difficult to do by hand. Now she turned it starts with ¼ turn.

Today I finished preparing the wheels for 1922. They are ready to install on the car.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 02:06 pm:

Very nice, Olivier! The wide angle camera lens distorted the shape of the two rear wheels, making the hubs look off center.

Did you paint your wheel felloes, or have them powder coated?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Saturday, May 24, 2014 - 03:16 pm:

It's just paint for cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Constantine on Sunday, May 25, 2014 - 02:56 am:

Olivier, Good to hear you still have the 1924 and have plans to fix it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Sunday, May 25, 2014 - 12:18 pm:

Merci Constantine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Olivier CHABANNE on Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 03:59 pm:

Hello to all.
Here is a picture of the new 1922 Ford wheels wooden shelf.

Olivier



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Linsenbarth on Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 04:27 pm:

Beautiful picture.
charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 04:34 pm:

Olivier

Very nice new wood wheels! I too like the color compliment of black and hickory wood on the Model T. :-)



My 1925 (August 26, '24 build date, with a 3 dip pan, original to car. July 18, '24 when the 4 dip pan was introduced.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 01:15 am:

Very nice Olivier!
You people may yet make me change my mind about natural finish on wood wheels.
Thank you for sharing the photos, Olivier. Your T looks great!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 09:49 pm:

The Model T parked next to the stone wall would make a great post card.

Beautiful car Olivier.


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