I got two New Day timers on eBay. Both are brown and normal and one came with a metal sleeve that goes inside. It is just a small ring and has a small notch in the outside of the ring. My repop New Days do not have a ring. I've just never seen a metal ring that goes against the engine. Oh, also on one; there is a small hole at the top. It is a 11/64. My guess was some one may have thought they needed to oil it. I think I should glue it shut. Any ideas? Thanks for any help. Kevin.
A hole at the top is new to me. Here's a long discussion of New Days, with pictures.
I think the small hole is located at the bottom to allow any oil or condensation to drip out. If you are refering to an offset brass disk which goes between the timer and the timing gear cover, that is to keep the felt seal in place and keep oil out of the timer. It can also cause a problem if it gets out of alignment it could ground the contacts. Use a modern neoprene seal and leave the brass disk out. Another thing that metal ring could be if it is about 7/8 inch in outside diameter, would to hold the pin into the hole in the front of the camshaft. That pin is used to keep the brush in position. First the brush is pushed on the shaft, then the pin which looks like a very short nail with a head, goes in the hole in the camshaft, then the metal ring, with the offset over the head of the pin, and lastly the nut.
Sounds like you got the ones made for Fordson tractors.
Stan, will they work on my 1916 T? Or did I buy a pig in a poke? Kevin.
On Steve's description it appears I have two #3's. Will they work on my 1916?. The metal ring comes out it's just a tight fit. Maybe Fordson's needed a longer side wall? They both are a dark reddish brown. One has a small hole at the bottom and the other has no hole at the bottom, but just to the left of the control rod and the black contact is the 11/64 hole. They do not have the indentations on the contacts inside the timer. They are smooth copper. The metal ring would only put the timer forward a little less than an 1/8"
The Fordson timer has the tab to hold the rod at the bottom. All you have to do is install it so the tab is up and make sure you have the wires on it in the right place. If I remember right the colors on the Fordson time aren't right for the cars. Before you take the old timer off mark them for where the screw on to the new one. I don't know about the metal ring but I don't think it needs it.
Stan, we have the same problem when installing Anderson timers. On RHD cars the timer pull is at the bottom, so the colours used on the timer body no longer come in the right order. A trap for newcomers.
Allan from down under.
Thanks to all who helped me identify my 2 New Day timers. All is good. The one with the hole on top must have been used on a Fordson. Stan gave me the idea about the control tab being on the bottom for the Fordson and then the hole makes sense. I will fill it in with RTV. The terminals are marked for the car New Day timer colours. I'm happy with my eBay bid. I got an old, looks like worn out brass coming off; Anderson Timer to fiddle with. Thanks to all especially Steve Jelf for his help.