I just noticed a "new noise" that I do not directly recognize.
It only happens while using the electric starter and sounds like something is loose. A metallic rattle that seems associated with the starter bendix.
Function is fine at this point, but I don't want to keep going and get a failure I may regret.
Take the bendix cover off and check the small bolts that hold spring on.
I figured that was my first move. If I have to drive it before that, I guess I will just crank start. But if I have a loose bit in there, it would be good to know about before I run again. Maybe I better keep her grounded until I have a chance to at least pull the bendix hat and have a look.
Check the starter mounting screws too.
Bendix gear counterweight has come off.
Ha, Tom, I didn't even know there was such a thing. Where is that located? What does it look like? And did it go into my transmission?
Forgot, what is the fix for this?
Also, while I have it open, what other work would be smart to do or check?
I don't think the counterweight has separated from the shaft, only from the pinion. Here is a picture of the assembly. The counterweight is part of the pinion gear.
That makes sense as it sounds like a metal ring spinning around a shaft. What is the best fix? Also, the other questions I asked above.
As long as I have it this far apart, I may just pull the starter motor and look it over. Probably install the improved oil seal if nothing else. What other service suggestions are recommended?
Replacing the bendix is the fix, I don't think there is much else you can check through that opening.
If you are going to pull the starter and install a seal I would also replace the babbitt bearing with a modern roller bearing. Chaffins sells the bearing with a bushing will take all end play out of the starter and will spin really well.
Here is a picture that Ron Patterson posted of the bearing and bushing.
Great idea. This way I can just take it apart and see what else it needs.
Just had mine apart a few weeks ago, i would suggest buying the new bolts/lock-washers if it seems they have been bent back and forth multiple times like mine was, it was like $3.00 for the added security. Also leave the bendix cover screw closest to the hogs head at the 3 a clock position in the head if possible, its a pain in the neck trying to thread that one back in.
Fasten your seat belt, you're in for a ride.
Ron the Coilman
Ha, Ron, I hear you. I did rebuild the generator with the help of several books and a lot of your kind assistance so the starter no doubt will be some adventure I'm sure.
While we are on the starter subject, has anyone tried the 6 volt Delco-Remy starter from Macs that claims "This starter gives modern V8 starting power & reliability to the Model T engine"?
Now that I see where the little plunger is located via this photo, what are the chances that it is still in place if indeed my counter weight ring has come loose? I sure hope it isn't loose in the transmission now?
Well, I fixed it. Actual issue was not what was advised above, but it mimicked that counterweight issue. All parts were present and in good condition.
SOMEONE (I bet it was me) who was last in there didn't correctly bend over all tabs on the two bolts. Both were loose and were contacting the inside of the hat as the bendix spun around. I checked all parts and they are in very good condition, original parts. Cleaned, reassembled, functioning as new. Hurrah.
I reread above and Greg Whaley did nail it. Have you had this happen?
I've never had that problem.
Stemwinders don't need no steenking starter motors...
: ^ )
Very fortunate the bolts didn't come out and get into the crankcase. Easy fix though.
Yep. Only once. Then I made sure to double check that the washer tabs are bent up properly to hold the bolts tight
A few subtle things about the early Model T Starter and Generator shown in this picture. I'll bet only Ken Kopsky noticed these as I did.
The starter has the early unique brush cap seal and the mounting bracket snout is not ground to prevent damaging the magneto field ring when removing the starter.
The generator does not have the oil slinger.
Ron the Coilman