Carburetor identification

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Carburetor identification
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Hallett on Tuesday, May 27, 2014 - 09:50 pm:

Carburetor identification

Hello, I have two carbs here I hope someone can identify. Pictures 1-4 looks similar to a holley NH, but it has no tag or stamping on it. The last five pictures are of a kingston carb, the tag has kingston and a pat. date of march 9th 1915. The adjustment screw on the fuel inlet side of the carb has "high speed more fuel", the other one has "idle more fuel" on it. I'm thinking that the kingston carb would have been on a stationary engine, but real don't know. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Roger


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andy Loso St Joseph, MN on Tuesday, May 27, 2014 - 10:02 pm:

The top one is either a Wizard or a Simmons.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - 09:14 am:

Roger -- Andy is correct about the top one's being a Simmons. Simmons marketed them under their own name, and they were also sold by Western Auto stores under the name Wizard. They are my favorite Model T carb.

I don't know anything about the other carb in your pics.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mark aden on Wednesday, May 28, 2014 - 09:42 am:

The bottom carb is for a fordson throttle plate located on pipe between carb and manifold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Hallett on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 06:17 pm:

Thanks to :Andy,Mike,and Mark for help identifying these carburetors. Mark's lead took me to the Fordson House were I found it under Fordson F, Kingston Vaporizer L-D, Fordson F built form 1917-1928. Mike, where do you get parts for Wizard or a Simmons? NH parts?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 06:37 pm:

Roger, most of the NH parts will not directly fit. One has to get creative with restoring what is there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 06:45 pm:

Roger -- Some NH parts will interchange, but as Erich says, not all of them will. I just buy up good-looking cores when I get the chance, hoping to get a fairly good one.

The only piece that's often a problem is the spray needle. With many years of use, they usually get a groove worn in them where they contact the seat. You can file and polish the end of it to get a good seal again, but sometimes that has been done too many times and they're now too short.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mark aden on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 07:15 pm:

Glad to help ,I have two fordsons with that carb,are you interested in selling it,would be nice to have a spare


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Hallett on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 08:00 pm:

Mark, I just sent you a PM


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 08:09 pm:

The little screw at the mating flange of the wizard was for a heating element to help vaporize the poor gas of the day. I would just plug that hole and keep electricity out of the picture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Sunday, June 01, 2014 - 05:31 pm:

i have a wizard i'd like to try, it looks to be not wore out, but the spray needle is missing. with out one to look at, hard to make a new one! any body got an extra?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Hallett on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 01:31 pm:

Clayton, I think you could make one from a NH spray needle. They are very close, same thread but different in length. The NH spray needle is the longer one, the Wizard or a Simmons is 3 inches in length.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 03:42 pm:

thank you roger thats what i'll do. i was guessing the thread was different but not so, thanks again, clayton


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 04:14 pm:

I borrowed a Simmons that still has the electrical wire element inside the throat near the intake manifold mating flange.

What is the history of this electrical element (besides bad gasoline)? Did they actually hook a 6 volt wire and switch to it? Sounds dangerous. That bottom element screw fitting still works on the one I borrowed.

Does the Simmons straight-thru feature work the same as an NH straight-thru resulting in improved performance/speed?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:53 pm:

and whats up with the flapper inside?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:59 pm:

As I understand it (could be full of it) the flapper in the simmons is like the flapper in the ford carbs that are supposed to regulate the mixture as they vary the size of the opening by closing the channel when less airflow comes through? Will be sorry if you think removing the flapper will result in improved performance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:50 pm:

i forgot to mention, the tag on mine says" duplex improved carburetor made expressly for western auto supply co by the simmons mfg co, cleveland." must be good, its improved!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:52 pm:

Simmons / Wizard carbs run like poo without the flapper. Run fantastic with the flapper. Great carburetor!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 09:57 pm:

Here's how to fix a grooved needle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTiStUTU9IE


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:12 pm:

The flapper in the Simmons (similar to the ones in Kingston carbs) acts to richen the mixture when there is very little air flow thru the carb. You can think of it as acting like an automatic choke. You might need just one choke pull when hand cranking, instead of several pulls. When the air flow is up, the flapper is forced open, so it's not in play. The Simmons is similar to the straight-thru NH in terms of power, but it is known for easier starting.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 07:37 pm:

Here is what the 'electric' element looks like on a Simmons/Wizard/Western Auto carburetor. I would hate to see what happens if you put 6 volts to that element!

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 07:42 pm:

Here is what the closed 'flapper' valve looks like behind the open choke valve. It must be free floating with no binding in order to operate well. In hot weather the flapper has stuck closed due to expansion. This carburetor probably was used better in cold northern weather vs hot southern weather.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 10:27 am:

:-)


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