Hello, I have two carbs here I hope someone can identify. Pictures 1-4 looks similar to a holley NH, but it has no tag or stamping on it. The last five pictures are of a kingston carb, the tag has kingston and a pat. date of march 9th 1915. The adjustment screw on the fuel inlet side of the carb has "high speed more fuel", the other one has "idle more fuel" on it. I'm thinking that the kingston carb would have been on a stationary engine, but real don't know. Any information would be greatly appreciated.
The top one is either a Wizard or a Simmons.
Roger -- Andy is correct about the top one's being a Simmons. Simmons marketed them under their own name, and they were also sold by Western Auto stores under the name Wizard. They are my favorite Model T carb.
I don't know anything about the other carb in your pics.
The bottom carb is for a fordson throttle plate located on pipe between carb and manifold
Thanks to :Andy,Mike,and Mark for help identifying these carburetors. Mark's lead took me to the Fordson House were I found it under Fordson F, Kingston Vaporizer L-D, Fordson F built form 1917-1928. Mike, where do you get parts for Wizard or a Simmons? NH parts?
Roger, most of the NH parts will not directly fit. One has to get creative with restoring what is there.
Roger -- Some NH parts will interchange, but as Erich says, not all of them will. I just buy up good-looking cores when I get the chance, hoping to get a fairly good one.
The only piece that's often a problem is the spray needle. With many years of use, they usually get a groove worn in them where they contact the seat. You can file and polish the end of it to get a good seal again, but sometimes that has been done too many times and they're now too short.
Glad to help ,I have two fordsons with that carb,are you interested in selling it,would be nice to have a spare
Mark, I just sent you a PM
The little screw at the mating flange of the wizard was for a heating element to help vaporize the poor gas of the day. I would just plug that hole and keep electricity out of the picture.
i have a wizard i'd like to try, it looks to be not wore out, but the spray needle is missing. with out one to look at, hard to make a new one! any body got an extra?
Clayton, I think you could make one from a NH spray needle. They are very close, same thread but different in length. The NH spray needle is the longer one, the Wizard or a Simmons is 3 inches in length.
thank you roger thats what i'll do. i was guessing the thread was different but not so, thanks again, clayton
I borrowed a Simmons that still has the electrical wire element inside the throat near the intake manifold mating flange.
What is the history of this electrical element (besides bad gasoline)? Did they actually hook a 6 volt wire and switch to it? Sounds dangerous. That bottom element screw fitting still works on the one I borrowed.
Does the Simmons straight-thru feature work the same as an NH straight-thru resulting in improved performance/speed?
and whats up with the flapper inside?
As I understand it (could be full of it) the flapper in the simmons is like the flapper in the ford carbs that are supposed to regulate the mixture as they vary the size of the opening by closing the channel when less airflow comes through? Will be sorry if you think removing the flapper will result in improved performance.
i forgot to mention, the tag on mine says" duplex improved carburetor made expressly for western auto supply co by the simmons mfg co, cleveland." must be good, its improved!
Simmons / Wizard carbs run like poo without the flapper. Run fantastic with the flapper. Great carburetor!
Here's how to fix a grooved needle:
The flapper in the Simmons (similar to the ones in Kingston carbs) acts to richen the mixture when there is very little air flow thru the carb. You can think of it as acting like an automatic choke. You might need just one choke pull when hand cranking, instead of several pulls. When the air flow is up, the flapper is forced open, so it's not in play. The Simmons is similar to the straight-thru NH in terms of power, but it is known for easier starting.
Here is what the 'electric' element looks like on a Simmons/Wizard/Western Auto carburetor. I would hate to see what happens if you put 6 volts to that element!
Here is what the closed 'flapper' valve looks like behind the open choke valve. It must be free floating with no binding in order to operate well. In hot weather the flapper has stuck closed due to expansion. This carburetor probably was used better in cold northern weather vs hot southern weather.