Yup! It's a Hot Rod

Topics Last Day Last Week Tree View    Getting Started Formatting Troubleshooting Program Credits    New Messages Keyword Search Contact Moderators Edit Profile Administration
Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Yup! It's a Hot Rod
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 06:18 pm:

I added this '26 Touring to my "family" a few weeks ago and filed the correct title/registration papers with WI DMV. I waited four weeks until last Wed. and finally emailed them to find out why I haven't heard anything from them. According to their first reply, they spent two weeks shuttling the application around to another desk for special plates. In the next two weeks the department for special plates seems to agonized what to do with the application. The second email from the Special Plates div. informed me that I could not license the car as a Collector, but instead had to license it as a "Hobbyist Vehicle" because it was a "reconstructed vehicle from MN". I replied to the gal at the desk that yes, is was a frame-off restoration, but it had a clear WI title and was issued Collector plates to the previous owner. I even emailed in a scan (both sides) of the title proving my point and providing a VIN and documentation. After explaining the whole licensing process for resurrected antique cars to this gal, she transferred me to another gal who told me because it was taken apart...and put back together, it had to be titled as such Hobbyist Vehicle plates.

So I looked into the DMV Hobbyist Vehicle portion of their website and what do I see:
item #3 "Vehicle can not resemble its original condition", and item #4 "Commonly know as 'Hot Rods' or 'Street Rods". I zipped up to the garage took pics of the Touring from a couple different angles, as well as the engine and transmission (I removed the floorboards). I emailed those pics back to her with a like to their own Hobbyist Plate website providing links for items #3 and #4.

The email I got back told me a "1962 Ford" was not eligible to be a Collector vehicle. In returning the email, I directed her attention to the title scan verifying it was indeed a "1926 Ford". Once that issue was resolved, she still couldn't seem to figure out that it was not a "hot rod".

So I called...and spent an aggravating 15 minutes on the phone with this gal pointing out that the car did not fit even their own definition of a "hot rod" and that placing Hobbyist plates on it would be illegal operation. The I suggested if she could not figure out how to verify the info I gave her on the car and the links to identify it on the MTFCA website, she should just have law enforcement come out and verify the documentation. No, she wouldn't do that. Instead my file was shuttled to her supervisor who would contact me (hopefully) in another week, and in the meantime I still couldn't drive my vehicle.

Then it dawned on me: I am either dealing with a heartwarming case of government providing meaningful employment to the excess of village idiots who can't get a job otherwise. Or, they are incapable of they are incapable of independent thought beyond the form immediately in front of their face, because they clearly know nothing about the vehicle they are dealing with...and really don't seem to want to learn.

OR, maybe it REALLY is a Hot Rod.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Bishop, San Diego on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 06:43 pm:

Kevin,
You must not have all the village idiots in WI.
I couldn't get the Calif. DMV to register my YOM plates because the book said they should be 14" long, they WERE 14" long, but she only had a 12" ruler!
And that was all she wrote! Seriously!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 06:47 pm:

It took me SEVEN visits to the California DMV and lots of mail back and forth to get year of make plates registered to my already regular California plates registered 1927 speedster that was first registered as a speedster with the motor serial # in 1955. I FEEL YOUR PAIN!!! Hopefully when the motor vehicle departments stops dragging the river for employees things will improve! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:12 pm:

You need to ask to speak to someone who is not an affirmative action hire.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave DeYoung ......... Stoughton, WI on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:18 pm:

Kevin: As a fellow Wisconsinite, I am surprise you were able to find a phone number that connected you to a real person. With that being said, I strongly suggest you go the the DMV in person. They are great at shuffling paper, but if you are standing right there it's hard to ignore you. I have yet to have a problem when in a face-to-face situation. I just keep asking for someone that understands old vehicles. Eventually that person is found and all is solved. Good luck.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:26 pm:

Kevin, Why did you give them more info than needed? I know we like to brag about our cars and the great work we have done. But when you said it was a frame of restoration you cooked your own goose. The less you say the better off you are. Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Barker - Dayton, OH on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:35 pm:

Gustaf - I find your comment offensive. I agree that dealing with the DMV can be frustrating, however this forum is not the place for comments of that nature, IMHO.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Vitko on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:53 pm:

From this point on I will not complain about Oregon's law of sending an officer out to see the car or bringing the car in to DMV on a trailer as I have done in the past. One T was parted when I could prove it came from an estate but could not prove the wife who sold it inherited it from her husband in the estate and she moved by the time I went to DMV. Now that's the first thing done before the car is even running.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:01 pm:

Never, ever strike up any sort of conversation with a government employee until after you get what you want.

You should walk into a DMV office, lay down the title, proof of insurance in your name, and ask for a local title, new registration, and how much does it cost?. Nothing else.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:03 pm:

It doesn't make sense if you were merely transferring an existing Wisconsin title and registration to a new owner. The fact that it is an antique car is irrelevant.

It should have taken five minutes to do that in person a the registrar's office.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:04 pm:

Such a request here at the Ca. DMV would label you as a racist and the State would strip you of your right own motor vehicles, NBA-style. There are many employees here at the Ca. DMV who consider it a personal and professional failure if you leave with what you came for. These are the same types who handle the medical care for our nation's veterans. Sorry, I digress. I have learned the vehicle code here and how it applies to antique and undocumented vehicle registration. The secret is to surrender absolutely no unrequested information, and to have the info that is, and hope that you wind up with a clerk that is clueless and overdue for a break. If I wind up with one bent on my failure, I really enjoy making her (usually female clerks here) look foolish when I ask her for her copy of the Ca. vehicle code and point out why her request is invalid. If she comes up with a sticking point that would send me packing, I pick out that document and provide it. They hate that. Often a supervisor is called by me or the clerk. I am always courteous and ready to cooperate, this is key. You also have to know how to deal with the highway patrol officers who must verify that the vehicle is what you say it is. Many of them are motorheads so we talk about cars during the process. One CHP officer determined that a speedster I was building was a hot rod because of no fenders and stock body. This required a special permit requiring brake & light inspection and smog cert to build to 2011 laws. I took the stack of pending paperwork bake to the same clerk and asked for a junk slip and demanded a refund of my prepaid fees. When asked why by the supervisor, I told them they had made it impossible for me to write them big checks for registration because of all the roadblocks they threw up. I then ground off the serial numbers, restamped new ones, and took my business to a different office where I found personnel more reasonable. I spread my DMV business around a bit at different offices. The key is to know the laws and how to work with them. It can be frustrating, put perseverance will pay off, as well as paying the fees when asked.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:15 pm:

I used to live in Houston Texas and had lots of problems getting antique cars registered. It was hard to find anyone waiting on you who knew anything about antique plates and old titles.
I now live in a small town in Texas and they have a very active antique car club. I am amazed had how much easier it is to deal with them.
Last month I needed to correct the vin # on a 1916 CD title to match my insurance that had the correct #. They give me a form for self inspection of the vehicle showing the correct vin #. I got my antique plates when I came back with the self inspection form and the title came about a week later in the mail.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:35 pm:

Dave, IMHO, BUCK UP!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:37 pm:

Royce, You can just walk into a DMV in WI to register and antique or classic vehicle. All the paperwork has to be sent to Madison for processing. I did the face-to-face DMV thing last time I tried to register and title my Tudor. Same aggravations...and yes, the vehicle had a clear WI title. I have come to the conclusion that the DMV folks really know nothing beyond what is on the form in front of their eyes and really don't want to clutter up their brains with any additional information. The whole explanation of "frame-off" came from me trying to explain MN titling process in these situations (which they easily could have accessed from the link I sent them if they had any ambition).

I think the best luck I will have right now is to get law enforcement out there to inspect the car and file and affidavit. Of course, DMV is dragging their feet on that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:39 pm:

Should have written "you CAN'T just walk into a DMV in WI"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pat Clark on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:44 pm:

I brought a '27 Tudor Sedan, that my dad gave, some 20 years ago, which he had bought back in the 50's No title to be found. I took these 3 pictures(which I took in Mn before we moved) of it to the DMV here in Tn, since I moved here 6 years ago. and I walked out with current plates & title, in 5-10 min. I had 2 other cars ('37 chevy pick up & '67 Camaro. which were completely done, except paint) that I sold in MN, with bill of sales, because after a year and a half each, they still wouldn't give me a title with everything they told me to do, was done!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 08:55 pm:

minnesota is easy now, i've done lots of them with no papers at all. if the "experts" at dmv value it at less than 2k, you dont even need to bond it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 09:05 pm:

By Dave Barker - Dayton, OH on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 07:35 pm:
Gustaf - I find your comment offensive. I agree that dealing with the DMV can be frustrating, however this forum is not the place for comments of that nature, IMHO.

You have got to be kidding me! Dayton IDAHO maybe, but anywhere east of the Missouri River or west of the continental divide will put you in The Nile...

[IMG]http://i58.tinypic.com/20r69vr.jpg[/IMG]


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 09:21 pm:

I bought this 1926 Touring. I got a bill of sale from the previous owner. I called a local person in town who's job is to get vehicle registration. I wanted the title before I started work on it to be sure I could. He came out and examined it and took the engine number. Then he checked to be sure the car had not been stolen and somehow, I don't know how, he got it registered in my name as "non operation permit" so that I wouldn't need insurance until I got it running. Then when I got it running and got insurance, I took it into the DMV and got the tags. Of course I got the current licence plates, not year of manufacture or historic vehicle plates. I have had no problems for the last 13 years. See picture of when I bought it and when I finished it.


Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 09:54 pm:

Erik, you commented on VA. I'm getting excellent care from the VA in Long Beach. I had back to back appointments this morning, and on my way home they called to set up another appointment from the one I had finished earlier.

UC Irvine medical is not so good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:03 pm:

Here in Ontario, they want a letter from a Ford dealer to confirm what the car is. If you have a friendly dealer and can show them the car, they can confirm that it's an original '26 Ford. It may be old but, it's their car. Who can argue with that. Might want to give it a try.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:05 pm:

The folks that do titles and tags here in NC are contractors.
And the inspections are not allways in favor of the buyer. I know of a nice 1914 that was titled as such with it's orignal engine.Was restored years ago, I think the last title was dated in the 60's.

Later the engine wore out and was swapped for another. The title was not changed.
Later still the car was sold at a estate sale where a friend of mine bought it.
The engine was sold seperate to another friend of mine.
He built a car,somehow titled the car with that engine number.
Meanwhile the unchanged title for the 14 needed the owners name changed and such and it became a real issue.
1 man had the car,another man had the engine.
Guess who gets to keep the title? The man with the engine!
So now the 14 is titled as a 15 because of the engine numbers.
Sadly,the man with the car has the original title with the vin on it for the car. How the other man was able to claim lost title is still unknown to this day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Robb on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:16 pm:

I learned many moons ago to avoid the DMV at every opportunity, consequently, I do all of my vehicle registration, licensing, and insurance at my close-by, seldom crowded, english-speaking folks at the Auto Club.
The registration of my unlicensed out-of-state 1919 Speedster took about 15-minutes!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:23 pm:

Hey ex trooper,
I think Dave is right, it was a very sexist comment, and in parts of the country probably construed as a racist as well. I have encountered two affirmative action employees over the years, and in both cases the one thing the had in common was their lack of desire to do the job the were hired for. I do think that any law that requires some one to be hired based on their gender, disability or race rather than their qualifications is a bad one.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:32 pm:

So what was they the key adjective missing.... QUALIFIED. Its gonna come around and bite-cha! ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Fischer on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:41 pm:

California seems to be notorious for difficult DMV. But I have had one excellent experience.

For many years it was not possible to register pre-1914 YOM plates in CA because they were owner produced, rather than manufactured by the state. That changed in about 2000 through the efforts of a license plate collector's association and a few capable lawmakers.

I took my owner produce plate to DMV in hopes of finally having YOM plates on my '12. The lady at the DMV window was very much a can-do type. Her name was Mercedes. Her manual didn't yet contain the verbiage that allowed my YOM plate, but I had the name/number of the higher level DMV person who had written the legislation. She called him for a couple of clarifications, took my money, and told me the stickers for my plate should arrive by mail within a week.

A week later I received a form letter with about four reasons why I couldn't register the plates. I took the letter back to Mercedes, who was clearly outraged that some petty bureaucrat had overturned her work. The denial letter said something to the effect that "unless determined by a DMV official" I would be ineligible to register the plate. Mercedes angrily initialed three of the negative findings, saying, "I AM a DMV official !" The fourth item said that I could not register a new plate on a non-op vehicle. She re-read her book and conceded that the denial was valid in that case. She suggested that I go ahead and register the vehicle as roadworthy. The cost was an extra $38, but the deal was done.

As I walked out the door I thought, "This gal is too good to last. Either the slackers will conspire to get her fired or some businessman is going to see her in action and offer her a REAL job". Sure enough, the next time I went to the DMV she was gone.

I hope she's happily working somewhere else and making tons of money.

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:54 pm:

I had a very good experience at the San Pedro DMV office. My Packard had been titled and registered with the engine number, not the VIN. It had since had an engine replacement, making the number wrong. A young lady there looked up the regulations, did the paperwork, and had me out of there in a few minutes. Soon afterwards I had my new pink slip with the correct VIN from Sacramento. Sometimes you do get lucky and encounter a competent person.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 10:55 pm:

To Bob Bishop:

I went to the DMV in Red Bluff, Ca with my YOM plates and did not have any trouble getting them assigned to my 1919 Model T touring. The size did not seem to matter to them, just the MONEY to register them. My thightughts would be to go the El Jahon or Romana or some real small town and see what you can do there. The DMV office I went to is 32 miles from our city of Redding. mightt be worth a try. So of those people are just hard to deal with. One of the girls in the Red Bluff office pulled out her great big book and started telling that "I'll bet you did not know this" and she touted all the history of the plates as to the emblems on the plates. Good History lesson
Bill D


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Lyon, PDX, OR. on Monday, June 02, 2014 - 11:05 pm:

I take my DMV paperwork to offices outside the bigger cities. They're used to country folk swapping titles all the time. I retitled two rigs in the last couple of yrs with just handwritten bills-of-sale. Don.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 12:29 am:

Ricks,
I am glad you are getting good care from the VA, thank you for your service to this great country. As a non veteran myself, it was inappropriate to comment solely on what I hear from the media without firsthand experience. My apologies to veterans and those who care for them. They are dedicated servants of America. As in any large and complicated endeavor, problems are called to attention but not to those who do their jobs well.
Sorry for the thread drift.
Again the best you can do at DMV or whatever that means in your state is to only provide info asked for, know the laws, be courteous, and hope for a clerk that is a public servant, not tax collector / regulator / obstructionist bureaucrat. (sp?)
Fordially, Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 12:36 am:

Trooop, TROOOP, Troop, please understand many haven't had the startling eye opening truths presented to them others have. As a disabled American veteran I put my 41 years in and was never afforded a break. I went to school and worked all those years and made it through as I did knowing full well there were no breaks regardless whether some BS program called affirmative action was in place or not. All that being said, we all have to live on this earth together. And there are a lot of negatives presenting themselves daily. And with the liberal, political environment we currently find ourselves in, we have to deal with the greatest case of unqualified leadership the world has ever seen. Affirmative action doesn't work more often than it does. But today industry and life insist we treat everyone the same regardless of race, wellness, sex or desire to improve. As a matter of fact the current environment doesn't promote success. It has become easy to strive to be a failure and remain a failure. After all, isn't it the current desire to lift the underachievers from a life of failure to a life of successfully achieving failure. The push to raise the minimum wage to a point that kills small business is a case in point. Free poorly managed government healthcare, free speaking and texting on free government provided cell phones, free food and money for people who've never contributed a single dollar in taxes to the programs they take from have become a way of life. You'll see evidence of this when you go to apply for your Social Security. You'll spend hours in line while people who've been drug in here by different charitable organizations are handed checks one after another. Looking the other way when illegals pour through our borders in order to assure votes because we don't require identification at the polls is an example. Refusing care for our veterans, taking resources and support away from our troops, and openly supporting our enemies is now the norm. We allow our ambassadors and the people sent to provide security for them to be murdered and before they die, drug down filthy foreign streets and ask "what difference does it make?" If you're important enough and don't follow, and if you speak against, the current political leaders you're investigated and penalized by the IRS. If you raise a stink about it you're ignored because the judicial branch of this country refuses to investigate and convict the perpetrators of such lawless activities. Though life isn't fair, and we're required to reward the people who fail for their failures, it's still wrong for us to expect these underachievers to continue to improve their lot in life and screaming "injustice" doesn't work for people like us. Because the politically correct refuse to acknowledge the truth. Do I find Dave's comment offensive? Nope, I don't care. This world is to full of people looking for an opportunity to bitch about anything anyone else says or does, it's become the next generations world now and I just don't care.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 07:00 am:

WOW!! Here I was just worried at the DMV because Maguugi Mufuumbu didn't know what a Model T Ford was! ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Linsenbarth on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 09:05 am:

Thank You Mike Garrison.
Charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Webb on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 10:56 am:

Hey ""EX TROOPER"" If you are going to condemn a guys opinion then man up and post your name!!
Do not hide behind a made up name....for all I know you are a stock boy at the 7-11. I have very little respect for some one that cannot sign their real name to a comment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ivan Warrington on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 11:18 am:

Stop it Warren! We have had enough of this nonsense already.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 11:58 am:

Interesting that Bill had troubles with the Redding DMV and better luck a Red Bluff. When I lived in Dunsmuir, my everyday vehicle (1946 "other make") needed an engine change, and was registered to the engine, not the VIN. Little ol' Mt Shasta DMV wanted me to post an expensive bond to cover the change (Or I could put the old engine back in the car, and have it verified (I still had the old engine, but it was just a block by then), AND pay a bunch of fees. Also they weren't happy that the VIN plate was held on with screws and was a bit scratched (after all those years, who knows what brushed against it) Was in Redding and stopped by the office. After waiting in line, the clerk took my paperwork, told em to pull under a canopy outside and someone would verify my numbers. Well, no one was showing up, so I went back inside. "What? Wait a minute, I'LL go out there!" She came out and looked at the VIN plate, "Held on with screws. . . correct for this year, that's fine. I can't read the engine number down there, would you mind reading it to me? Thanks" "Come on back in." She was waiting for me, stack of papers, "Here's the forms, your new pink slip should come in the mail soon"
Me, "How much are the fees?" "Oh, this is just a paper correction, no fees!"
WOW!! I'm certain that would not happen today--that was back in 1978!
However, more recently I have three time found it easier to deal with the Chico Office than my local Oroville office (Chico is twice as big).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 12:11 pm:

Not sure about Wiscy by I've found that the larger DMV offices tend to be more organized and tend to have someone somewhere in the back who can handle any situation. The smaller, local spots that are privately operated have been much more difficult lately. Although, I will say we have a young girl (25ish) at our little local DMV office and man it's like she went through DMV bootcamp - she knows EVERYthing, where stuff is, what you need, how to do anything, I wish everyone was half as intelligent and capable as she is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 01:10 pm:

Hey ""EX TROOPER"" If you are going to condemn a guys opinion then man up and post your name!!
Do not hide behind a made up name....for all I know you are a stock boy at the 7-11. I have very little respect for some one that cannot sign their real name to a comment.


The name is William Stephan and I live in Two Rivers Wisconsin. I was a maintenance engineer for ComEd in Chicago at a coal fired 500 MgW power plant (that's for the doe-does)for 35 years, and they are really referred to as Generating Stations by real tradesmen, not 7-11 stock boys. Trooper was my dog RIP. Need to know more? PM me here... ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 01:19 pm:

OOPS!! Forgot to ad the pic... Hope yer crack phone can open it. I don't waste my time resizing pics for this place and all the nay sayers that are on dial ups. I was 5 here and we just finished scraping bearings (that's right, dad showed me how at 5!) on our 2nd owner 1926 4 door sedan. Theres also a pic of our '27 at the cottage up here showing the original owners in 1950; start cranking the phone at the general store. Sorry... the 7-11 has one of those brown pay phones don't it???

[IMG]http://i60.tinypic.com/23rkgvr.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i61.tinypic.com/8yhmwl.jpg[/IMG]

I did my first band job on this one in 1968 at 13 YO. Care to talk about Model Ts or swivel rights?? ws


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 01:23 pm:

I don't seem to ever have too much trouble with the DMV here in Minnesota. As long as I have my ducks in a row before I go in. Of course it took a few go a rounds with the people in the DMV before I found which ducks I have to put in a row. But as others have said, I don't ask questions or offer any more information then necessary. Sometimes I like to compliment them on their hair or how pretty their eyes are but beyond that I try to keep it professional. Ya just got to understand, people who are in a position that they think gives them power are normally very vain and the best way to get them to work in your favor is to play them against their own vanity. Flowers and candy help too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ivan Warrington on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 01:36 pm:

Ouch Trooper, that is going to leave a mark.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 03:10 pm:

Hey trooper, are you related to Royce or Rick? Seams like you have chip on your shoulder. Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 04:00 pm:

Trooper,

Take your attitude somewhere else. Nobody cares what you scraped when you were 5 years old. It's your comments like "Maguugi Mufuumbu" that describe you best here & now. Guess dad taught you that too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 04:53 pm:

Erik, I didn't mean to negate what you wrote about the VA. It's no doubt true. This was just a chance I had to relate my good experience.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 05:28 pm:

It's your comments like "Maguugi Mufuumbu" that describe you best here & now. Guess dad taught you that too.

Youd' have been the first to cut his toes off so he wouldnt run... oh wait, that's the Afrikaners that did that, not the bible thumping christian reformers. Mea Culpa.
Ill have words with you later after my hate group meeting tonight LOL. BTW... critique my folks and youll be looking for a visitor.
Heb een leuk leven woon op 8 mile road


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 05:37 pm:

RETRACTION... Sorry guys... 'ol Jerry van Coasterwagen tried to get me into a swivel rights debate and I fell for it. I wont let that happen again. Of course, the antique posting format wont let me pull the last post, so do me a favor and don't crank the phone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 05:38 pm:

Jerry, I'd just ignore him. He was on here long time ago and left in a huff. On Fordbarn, he is yachtsmanbill, a big bag of wind. I know a lot of Wisconsin people, and he doesn't represent them at all.........I wouldn't worry about a visit, I don't think his bicycle will make it that far.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Timothy Kelly on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 05:47 pm:

Ivan

You were oh so right about Trooper leaving a mark.

And it's certainly not very becoming.

Timothy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 06:18 pm:

Chris, I am going to come right out and say it. We need to be more like FORDBARN and not allow any of this nonsense. It may be laughs and chuckles for some, but they have gone way over any decent line. When threats are made, as above, these juveniles need to be immediately banned. If not, it gives the whole hobby and especially the MTFCA a bad name. When immature people discuss politics, race or religion, it gets ugly. This is my opinion.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paul wilcox on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 06:58 pm:

the easiest way i found is to pay the 75.00 for regular plates, then after that go for the collector /antique plates that way you can drive your car while you are waiting for your other plates


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 07:49 pm:

Paul, I have already sent DMV $200 for a Collector plate for my Tudor undergoing restoration. It won't hit the road for another 4 years or so. They won't let me transfer that without a $150 charge...or I can buy another Collector plate for that price (which I did). I'm not paying them a dime more. Period.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 08:18 pm:

If it wasn't causing you fine gentleman so much frustration I may be tempted to laugh at the ridiculous hoops many of you have to jump through. I built my 23 from the ground up. It was literally a pile of parts. I had a bill of sale, and a verification of VIN from an RCMP officer. I strolled into the DMV. I showed her the paperwork. She asked why no title. I explained it hadn't been registered in either one of our lifetimes. A cursory search of stolen VIN, and she issued me a new title. Wished me good luck on my restoration. total time, 20 minutes including waiting time


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 09:05 pm:

Hi Kevin, it seems as if you're on the flip side of the coin from the people who feel a 1923 Ford Model T Street Rod with a plastic body, a custom built frame and a Chevy engine is still a 1923 Ford. The problem is in your case, your car is an honest to Allah 1926 Ford. It's made from Ford sheet metal from a 1926 Ford touring car. The body sits on a newly painted 1926 Ford chassis that rolls on a set of replaced tires that are mounted on 1926 Ford Model T wheels. It's powered by a 1926 Ford Model T engine. The thing is you're dealing with ignorance. The person is ignorant of the difference between the 1923 Street Rod and the 1926 Ford Touring car. They're caught up in a system they can't understand and try as hard as any of us can we can't seem to get them out of their predicament because we weren't there up front when their choices were developed. These people aren't stupid, non-caring or without the ability to put them self in your position. But regardless of how hard you try to educate them they're still stuck with a rigid set of choices. The people involved with this hobby would absolutely describe your car as a 1926 Model T Ford Touring car. We wouldn't care about it's history. We might care or at least the people who judge the correctness of your 1926 Ford Model T Touring car might care if all the parts are period correct and correct to Fords specifications, but in the end it is what it is and they're stuck with the job of defining it. So all that being said I still feel you can succeed in receiving your collector plates. And continuing on and seeing this through will possibly help the next guy get over these hurdles. Hang in there and good luck. Oh and I'm willing to someday meet you again and tour with our Model T's. Afterall you deserve to see how good that radiator worked out in the speedster. And I owe you lunch as payback.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 09:11 pm:

Rob from Nova Scotia, you pretty much described what I went through to describe my '25 speedster as a modified 1925 2 dr Model T Ford. I paid a dear price for that description but it went without a hitch.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 09:30 pm:

A lot of the crackdown here in Ca. was a product of Boyd Coddington and his TV show. They would build a hot rod out of an original car or fabricate a fabulous recreation with not a single 1932 era part on it, except for the 1932 plates on it when you see it drive away. DMV brass saw this and realized they were probably losing big time in lost fees and opportunities for regulation and obstruction. So now they think that everyone trying to register an old car is trying to screw them. You have to know the law and how to use it to beat them at their game.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Randy Glowacki on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 10:16 pm:

Tim,

I agree with you 100 percent. I had zero problems to retitle your 1927 Roadster here in NJ. I did have to go to two different DMV one for the title and one for the registration and Historic plates.
Randy Glowacki


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William L Vanderburg on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 10:22 pm:

Randy,

The title, registration, and historic plates could have been done all at once in Eatontown, NJ on Route 36.

Where did you go?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By paul wilcox on Tuesday, June 03, 2014 - 11:09 pm:

kevin the reason i said that was that i wanted to drive my t right away. that way it was titled and licensed for its maiden trip to door county i know they tell you it takes up to 6 weeks to get collector/antique plates i did not want to wait for half the summer to get plates. i don't want to give dmv any more money than i need to but i felt it was worth it due to the time of the year i got the car together


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 01:05 pm:

Trooper,

My comment about your dad was not needed. As you have done above, I'll enter a "RETRACTION" as well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 01:29 pm:

Thanks coasterwagen. Its always good to man up...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Patrick on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 02:38 pm:

Do what Royce said and let them ask the questions and answer in as few words as possible. Let them put down the description and don't worry about whether it is wrong or not. If the wording agrees with what they have on file it is legal and that is all you need.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 07:00 pm:

The Florida department of motor vehicles insists that my 1910 Chalmers Detroit is an Allis Chalmers Tractor. They know that for a fact because there never was a car called a Chalmers Detroit because if there had been it would be in their computer system and we all know that computers don't make mistakes. Frankly I didn't care if they called it a corn muffin as long as I got my Horseless Carriage plate. It just isn't worth arguing with idiots.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 07:56 pm:

Still doesn't make sense to me.

If you a transferring an existing title and an existing registration, it's no different than a modern car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 07:00 am:

I'll keep you all posted on what happens next. I have no idea how this is going to go down. My guess is that until I can get them to agree to send a trooper out here to verify the vehicle, nothing will happen. DMV promised to get a hold of me by the end of the week. That deadline is fast approaching.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charles Linsenbarth on Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 08:56 am:

I have a 1964 Chevy G-10 Panel van, known as a G-10, the state of Oklahoma changed the title to 1964 Impala station wagon, have tried for 5 years to get it changed and they will not change it, even though I still have the original title showing G-10, now my insurance shows it as a Chevrolet 1964 Belair station wagon, I can't wait to show my insurance form to the first police officer that stops me for some reason.
Charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jon Allen on Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 01:47 pm:

Kevin,
I STRONGLY recommend you get someone to help you with this. Surely you must have some auto registration services in WI. In CA the DMV is so bad that they have spawned a whole "Cottage Industry" of people who will get your car registered for you. I just had one such service register a 1914 speedster for me that was purchased out of LA. That involved a change of Title as well as CA registration. To make matters worse, the VIN Number was NOT the engine number as it should have been. The registration service lady said basically "Don't go there and try to get it corrected." The CA DMV is so stupid that they don't know what the VIN number should be and will not question that. So we left it alone, and I now have set of CA license plates and a new Title in my name.
Next on the DMV agenda is to register the car with YOM 1914 CA license plates.
My basic point is that there are ways to do this stuff w/o all the frustration you are having. It costs a little money but it is worth every penny.
My first YOM registration I did myself, and it took EIGHT MONTHS and a Highway Patrol inspection. The second one I did by using an auto registration service. It took two weeks and cost $125. It was worth every penny.
Jon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:59 pm:

Actually, things appear to be rolling now. I called back to DMV later in the day, and the gal I was going round and round with finally called her supervisor into the fray. I heard her explain the situation and say "he sent me some pics of his car. Do you want to see them?" Then she opened up pics, showed them to her supervisor who I heard say in the background "Oh yeah, that's a Model T". All of a sudden getting the title approved and the collector plates I wanted didn't seem like a big deal. We'll see what happens.


Posting is currently disabled in this topic. Contact your discussion moderator for more information.
Topics Last Day Last Week Tree View    Getting Started Formatting Troubleshooting Program Credits    New Messages Keyword Search Contact Moderators Edit Profile Administration