Frame Brackets - What Cars And What Years Were These Six Different Brackets Used??

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Frame Brackets - What Cars And What Years Were These Six Different Brackets Used??
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 09:03 pm:

I've been digging into the dark corners here and found a box of frame brackets and noticed several different styles. I checked Gail Rhodda's parts I.D. guide and didn't find any info. under 'Frames'. Here's one of each different style I found


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 09:09 pm:

B might be for roadsters or coupes. The rear fender bracket bolted to the through the sill to the rear bracket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Thursday, June 05, 2014 - 10:23 pm:

I believe C is TT truck, but not sure.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Henrichs on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 01:38 am:

B is the rear bracket on roadsters (also coupe) that also holds the fender bracket. The carriage bolt head fits from the inside of the bracket out to the fender (reason for square holes). This type is used on the early brass (at least 1913 until 17 or 18). The mate to it (D) has round holes and is used on the front & center roadster positions and all positions on the touring. The carriage bolts fit from the outside of the body sill into the bracket. The same square vs. round hole difference applies to 1918 or 19 through 25. The bracket scalloped out (F) is used in the front & center positions and a matching one (not shown) with the square holes on the roadster (coupe) rear.

The A bracket looks like riveted on type (I have no clue). I think C is TT truck. F appears to be an earlier type but doesn't quite match B or D (I dunno). Best guesses from my "rusty" memory.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 09:13 am:

The TT one (C) was also used by aftermarket body makers before Ford made truck bodies. Those were on the '21 Hercules body I had recently. I reckon the elongated hole gave them some leeway in their placement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 12:04 pm:

Mike, are you and Donnie KIDDING me? . .. a TT bracket?? None of these were ever used on a TT. From '17-'23 and thereafter on bare TT chassis Ford supplied 4 frame to aftermarket body brackets that were of a slightly heavier guage that the T brackets but they were fastened to the frame with 2 rivets. Those above in the picture that Jay sent were meant to fasten to wood frame rails in 3 places then the 7/16" bolt would fasten the body to the riveted frame bracket.

The only qualitative advice I could give on the dating of the brackets above is in letter C above. I have brackets like that on my '27 coupe and '26 tudor so I'm going to guess "New and Improved".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 01:11 pm:

George is right, none of those pictures are TT........TT brackets changed over production, but much heavier construction than those. pretty sure the bracket went from 1 verticle mounting hole to 2 later in production

I am going to check Mikes suggestion tonight. i have a factory supplied chassis under my M-P hack, and see if they are different. Neet to learn something new, if they are different.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 01:38 pm:

George, I said Im not sure, but I had a TT closed cab that had the slotted bracket on it. I have seen that slotted bracket on another TT also. But it has been a long time since I had them. Mine may have been bolted on, riveted, or ??? May not even been correct to the truck. But I was only guessing. I would like to know for sure what they fit as I have seen them before at swap meets. That way Ill have learned something new, that I can forget at a later date ... and then re-learn even later :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 06:05 pm:

We wouldn't kid you, George. :-)

Donnie and i have both seen those brackets on several TT's, and I haven't seen them anywhere else. Go figure.

Above, you said, "...Ford supplied 4 frame to aftermarket body brackets that were of a slightly heavier guage that the T brackets but they were fastened to the frame with 2 rivets"

What you're talking about are brackets which attach to the frame. What we're talking about are brackets which attach to the main sills of the body and bolt to the ones on the frame.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 09:07 pm:

To be clear, this is a picture of the bracket that mounts my Martin-Parry body to the model t frame. It appears to be the same as "C" in the photos above. Very interesting! Do you think ford supplied these with bare chassis?

Also interesting is whomever mounted my body to chassis decided to skip the middle bracket, instead just using a long bolt. I would be intersted in a couple of the "c" brackets Jay, if you are selling. That way I can keep them all the same. Body bracket


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Friday, June 06, 2014 - 10:14 pm:

since every one wants to only talk truck, i'll throw in my 2cents worth of guess. A is very odd, very old, or home made, note the small rivot holes.B, D and F, similar, round ends are 13-16, the square holes of B being earlier, 13 i believe. E being the most common with the clipped ends, 17 to 25. the improved ford of course had none of these type. thats my guess, now others will tell some facts!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 09:56 am:

Tim -- I have two of the C brackets I'd trade for a couple of B, D, or F ones. My email address is on my profile page.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 10:45 am:

I had B's on the rear of my 21 coupe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 11:02 am:

Item "A" is a front body-to-frame bracket for a TT C-Cab. It's riveted to the inner vertical panel under the floorboard riser.

At least it looks like the two I had to reinstall after replacing those inner panels.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Saturday, June 07, 2014 - 11:51 am:

I'll look to see what I have and get with you. Thanks, Mike.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house on Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:34 am:

I went out and looked at my 2 Ford C Cab bodies - one that Ken restored and did a beautiful job - and the front cab-to-frame bracket is 4 3/8" long and attaches to the Ford-supplied cab with 4 rivets. It doesn't look anything like the pictures Jay supplied. The front bracket in my recently sold Enclosed Cab TT appeared the same as the C Cab. Of course, the Ford-supplied rear cab brackets were even larger still. Keep in mind that Ford only supplied the 2 cab designs in about 5% of TT production leaving 95% of TT production as chassis only and the aftermarket guys might've used the elongated hole style that Ford supplied in '26-'27.

. . . . Ken, you should've known better than that ;o) (Just kidding now; don't get sore)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house on Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 08:37 am:

Donnie, was you're TT closed cab an aftermarket wood body?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 10:35 pm:

bump... i'd like to know ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Sunday, June 08, 2014 - 10:57 pm:

George :It was a steel Ford TT cab. Its been awhile since I had it but the only 2 of the slotted brackets I have seen attached to a body were on the 2 old TT bodies I had. Im not saying they were correct to the body or not. Its just been to long ago. And Like I said I was just guessing what they fit.


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