Rear Spring Clamp/Clip for 1914 Touring

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Rear Spring Clamp/Clip for 1914 Touring
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Sanford - Lucas, TX on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 07:02 pm:

I would appreciate someone posting (or directing me to) pictures of the Rear Spring Clamps/Clips used on a 1914 Touring. Langís sells Item number 3848B for a 1918-1927 but I canít find one similar listed for a 1914 from any of the suppliers. The Encyclopedia lists these as Retaining Clips 3848.

What is the difference between the rear spring clamps for a 1914 and for later years? The ones on my 1914 do not have a nut on the bolt nor is the bolt long enough to put a nut on.

Thanks for any help. (I apologize in advance if this is a dumb question.)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Poane on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 07:20 pm:

If you can't find one, you can make your own. I had to make a pair for my 1912.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 11:31 pm:

I've modified late ones to fit, by smashing down the tab in the middle of a late one, and brazing it up. Also the hole pattern is not as deep, but I don'r remember what I did. I think I was able to remove the portion of the clip above the hole, and still have enough left to drill two new holes. Some of the early T's used a rivet instead of a bolt. I take a carriage bolt and turn the square shank down even with the rest of the bolt, and use a 1/4-20, 1/2" across the flats jamb nut.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, June 11, 2014 - 11:33 pm:

Here are the front clips I made, along with an original rear clip.


I made them myself because they're more like the originals than the new ones sold by the parts dealers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 09:45 am:

I believe the tops of the early clips are rounded, not chopped, at least that is the way my two '13s are, as well as a NOS pair. Also, I don't believe the bolts ever used a square nut on any year. The later T's used a small square headed bolt, 3/8 across,with the jamb nut I mentioned earlier.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Sanford - Lucas, TX on Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 10:28 am:

Thanks for the comments so far. The existing clamp bolt has a hex head on one end and appears to be about 1/4" in diameter on the other end. The portion of the bolt between the clamp appears to be larger in diameter as though it has a sleeve on it. I tried turning the bolt head but it does not unscrew from the clamp. I thought that the clamp was threaded.

I will try to post a picture of what is installed on the spring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Parker on Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 11:19 pm:

The tops are rounded in an arch on both front and rear clips on my July 1913 touring. Both springs are curled where the bolt goes through.

Ken in Texas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 11:38 pm:

I should have mentioned that the rear clip in my picture came from a tapered rear spring, but it wasn't on a car, so I have no idea of the year. It's what I copied when I made my clips, but I don't know if they're right for my 1915.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 07:40 am:

I probably have some extras Dennis. I'll be in Dallas tomorrow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 02:09 pm:

There as some years of T's that indeed used a sleeve, but I haven't done the research to find out what years used them. Sorry I couldn't help.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Sanford - Lucas, TX on Monday, June 16, 2014 - 11:37 am:

I have attached 2 pictures of the spring clip and springs.
1914 Rear Spring Clamp

1914 Rear Spring

The spring clamp appears to be riveted to the spring leaf with a special rivet/sleeve combination on the bottom. This appears to be made in one piece with threaded ends on both ends. Does anyone know where to find a pair of these. If not, I will try to find a bolt and sleeve to match.

In looking at the clamp, it appears that my rear spring only has 7 leaves instead of 8 leaves. The leaf ends are evenly spaced to the outside of the clamp but their appears to be a space above the clamp before the next leaf end. Does anyone have a picture of the rear springs for a 1914 so I can identify which spring leaf is missing?

Royce Peterson showed me a set of springs which included a rolled end on one of the springs to accommodate the spring clamp but my springs do not have that rolled end.

Any help will be appreciated.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Sanford - Lucas, TX on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 11:55 am:

Does anyone have a picture or description of the rear springs for a 1914 Touring? Mine only has 7 leaves.

Thanks


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 12:31 pm:

It seems rivets or curls may both be correct for 1914.


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