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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 01:50 pm:

Many of the cars are now in route to this years Montana 500 "Endurance Run". Last years winner Garrett Green will again have 3 Team Green cars running in the race. This year Garrett is sponsoring, Andria Myers, a young gal from the Long Beach club who owns two T's. After driving his 26 roadster last year for Garrett I hinted to Andria at our clubs swap meet that she should consider entering in the race.
Since my daughters wedding takes a slight precedence over driving in the race I'm delighted to see her getting her chance. I expect she'll have one of her own cars there next year.

Good Luck to all the drivers and have a safe run, hopefully a dry one as well.

Please keep us posted as the race progresses.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 03:54 pm:

Safe travelling and safe racing to all involved. Please post results and pictures as soon as someone is able. Wish I could be there!
Gene, Have a wonderful time at your daughters wedding. I'm sure you will be a very proud and happy Dad!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kirk Peterson on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 04:00 pm:

Gene
Congratulations on your daughter's upcoming nuptials.
I look forward to results and pictures from the 500.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P. Steele, Montana on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 07:11 pm:

Best wishes and good luck to all the 500 participants. Have a safe race.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 07:50 pm:

Best wishes to the bride.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 11:17 pm:

I plan to leave tomorrow. I heard that some of the folks are already there.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Friday, June 13, 2014 - 11:34 pm:

Any racers running the TW timer?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 12:15 am:

Seth,
Based on the current rules TW timers are not allowed.

Maybe the rules can be changed in the future, it would be interesting to see how it works in competition with the current favorite, Anderson timers.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:46 am:

Someone may want to have the rules changed to allow TW timers. I have no heartburn about allowing TW timers, but I think few of the front runners would use them. Any timer with a brush that runs on an insulator needs to be cleaned periodically. The Anderson uses air as an insulator so most drivers never have to attend to them throughout the run. The second thing about the Anderson is that it can be timed perfectly. The other timers cannot. At high speeds, especially above 55 mph, perfect timing is very important.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 07:29 am:

Tom:
You posted :
"The Anderson uses air as an insulator so most drivers never have to attend to them throughout the run. The second thing about the Anderson is that it can be timed perfectly. The other timers cannot. At high speeds, especially above 55 mph, perfect timing is very important." ............... guess the Exact timing qualities of the E-Timer would not be reconsiderded.

Good luck and safe driving to all, and most of all enjoy .

Bob Jablonski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 10:28 am:

In my opinion, a perfectly set up stock system can approach the E-timer for performance. At least for high speed operation. A perfectly set up stock system involves many things, such as four balanced coils. Coils cannot be effectively balanced on a HCCT alone. It requires an ECCT or an oscilloscope. Also you need magneto magnets that are charged exactly correctly. You need a timer that makes contact fully and correctly at the right time. Even then, the E-timer will beat the stock system over the entire RPM range due to its ability to automatically retard. As such, I don't see the E-timer ever being allowed at the Montana 500.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Robison on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 12:16 pm:

Tom is loaded and leaving for libby in a couple hours.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 12:26 pm:

I assume he has an upgraded tranny converter in that Windstar. How many mpg?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:15 pm:

I believe that Tom is right about the TW timers needing to stay clean. I switched to a TW timer this last spring and love it but I have found that a good wiping out of the carbon dust in the casing every couple hundred of miles does help performance and smooth out the engine. It not that hard to do and only takes a few moments.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:18 pm:

I can't believe that Tom is going to push that van the entire way!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:27 pm:

Mike, I bet some here would be really interested to see some close up pictures of the rear wheel adapter and how you guys tow your cars.

I saw that last year and was really impressed. Very neat set up!

YES, Enjoy the ride and have a Safe Run!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:30 pm:

Ralph, the T pulls as easy as having a couple of big people in the back seat. I used to pull it all over the place with a 4 cyl. Oldsmobile. The Windstar gets about 15 mpg as I recall.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:57 pm:

More pics of the rear tow wheels at:
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/154331.html?1281398380

Not too hard with wire wheels.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 01:59 pm:

I to would be interested on understanding that towing set up. Does it turn the drive line?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Robison on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 02:17 pm:

Here are some pictures I quickly snapped before he left.








Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Kossor on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 04:36 pm:

Thanks for the update on the 500 Gene and congratulations on your Daughter's wedding, hope you all have a great time at the wedding.

Good luck to all Montana 500 participants in this year's race. Hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable run. Looking forward to updates as they roll in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, June 14, 2014 - 08:44 pm:

Talked to Rick C Friday, asked him about how stock the T's had to be, he told me stock, just some back yard mechanics putting the cars together. I told him some people just have better back yards then others! LOL Have fun everyone.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Moorehead on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 08:19 am:

Can someone explain how the rear wheel set up works on the towed car? Is the differential locked out and the small rear wheel has an outside bearing set up? I really don't understand the large block against the hub. Maybe it is just a spacer?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 09:12 am:

The E timer doesn't work on magneto so it would not be of any use even if this were a contest for 21st century electronic gizmos.

The Montana 500 is a race for Ford Model T's using period technology. Since the TW style timer was an original type design and it uses no electronic components it seems like a valid option if the folks who vote on the rules want it.

The Model T hobby is about preserving the history and technology of the era. Adding plastic crap with printed circuits is faking it. Just say no to fake stuff!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 09:43 am:

Tom, the hubs have their own bearing.

Royce, you tell 'em!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 09:43 am:

Royce, REALLY ????, you should seek help to come out of your shell. Broken record of bullshxt.

Bob Jablonski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 11:48 am:

Tom M.,
Here is a better photo of the added spindle/wheel hub. The hand brake on the original T rear end can be set and it does not turn at all.



It looks pretty low but I don't know if the brake drum would drag on the road if the added tire went flat.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 03:35 pm:

Did someone say sompen about an new electro timer?

PLEASE Don't Answer LOL. sad


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 03:37 pm:

Royce
When are you going to paint your trailer Queen an original Color? At least you can't see an E-Timer. And it gives you the performance of a stock system with NO messy maintenance. Not everyone can maintain their electrical system to Montana 500 quality. I haven't seen your name on the 500 winner list.

p.s. Thanks Tom for your comments.
There is nothing wrong with the stock T ignition I just like the no maintenance of the E-timer fore my High mileage T's

Dean Yoder


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 04:40 pm:

Dean,

Hope you are having a great day too!

Which of my cars should I repaint first? I've got a black one, a green one, a salmon one, and one in black cherry?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 05:55 pm:

Play nice boys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 06:22 pm:

Royce

Happy Fathers Day.

I suggest you go to the local hardware store and buy a case of black paint. Then you can do all 3 cars at one time.

Rumor has it Henry said 'Any color as long as it is black'.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 07:11 pm:

Royce,
As long as the metal is being preserved I really do not care what color your T's are. I just believe it is Criminal the way U repeatedly attack The E-timer an INVISIBLE accessory. That allows you with No modifications to enjoy with no maintenance a perfectly maintained ignition for 10'S of thousands of Miles.
I have logged over 20 thousand miles on the E-timer. The only ignition failure in that time was a coil that the primary went open at the battery contact. Age not an E-timer problem.

P.S. The stock system works Great If properly maintained. I will continue to run stock Ignition on my tractor conversions and TT's Low mileage T's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brass car guy on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 10:26 pm:

Correct me if I'm wrong, (yet again) but seems to me towing a car with temporary spares(as shown in the above photos) is a bit scary.

Temporary spares have a speed and distance limit. Seems to me towing a car on the freeway at freeway speeds from Spokane to Montana with temporary spares is pushing the limit more than just a bit.

Just sayin;

brasscarguy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 10:33 pm:

i agree, and a little taller tire and wheel combo would be on my junk yard list


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 10:37 pm:

and by the way, i thought we talkin montana 500, whats goin on out there? sure wish i could do it some day


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, June 15, 2014 - 11:11 pm:

Those funny spares don't get much of a workout on the rear of a roadster. No turning; no braking; mebbe 350 lb load.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Monday, June 16, 2014 - 12:55 am:

Ralph is right. Very little load. Those spares are made to use on big Cadillacs and stuff like that. On the front wheels of a Cad I wouldn't want to go too fast. I usually buy brand new wheels every year or two for five bucks a piece. Having said all that, I'll tow my T that way, as I have for 35 years and thousands and thousands of miles, and you do it your way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Monday, June 16, 2014 - 02:31 am:

Tom, How many cars this year?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Mullins on Monday, June 16, 2014 - 07:47 am:

Nineteen under time to start out


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 02:31 am:

NameHometownMilesTotal
Mike StormoDavenport, WA187.403:27:48
Jillian RobisonValley Ford, WA187.403:30:42
Dennis PowersOdgen, Iowa187.403:31:54
Tom CarnegieSpokane Valley, WA187.403:32:35
Mike CuffeEureka, MT187.403:33:18
Garrett GreenOrange, CA187.403:34:58
Mike RobisonValley Ford, WA187.403:36:38
Sergio HernandezBelle Gardens, CA187.403:36:58
Dan BrownLa Porte City, Iowa187.403:39:12
Rick CarnegieOtis Orchards, WA187.403:44:06
Alex Sandy WattOrange, CA187.403:44:53
Jamie AllenGreen Acres, Wa187.403:45:44
Bill MullinsSpokane, Wa187.403:47:28
Ed MarshallBurley, WA187.403:54:23
Dan LukowskiUptown, Iowa187.404:00:33
Patrick BarrettRainier, WA187.404:14:18
Andria MyersLong Beach, CA187.404:14:32
Gary YeagerCheney, WA187.404:26:15
Gator WaldronWashington15203:55:39


Day one results


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Cress on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 06:38 am:

Thanks Tom


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 09:44 am:

I'm not there so I don't know just exactly what is going on with the weather around Libby and wherever they are going today but according to Weatherunderground it is 43 and light rain with snow predicted for elevations over 4500 feet today. Same here. It's about 45, raining and cold. Might be a long day in an open T at 55-60 MPH.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 10:18 am:

Thanks Tom - fun to watch the results daily !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 01:00 pm:

Some of us with speedsters went in touring class yesterday. Cool with off and on rain for the morning but really nice in the afternoon. Today it's 44 degrees and steady fairly light to medium rain. The speedster folks running without tops or fenders opted to stay warm and dry. The scenery is terrific and the route was fun yesterday.

Mike Stormo averaged 54.1 MPH yesterday and the top 11 cars averaged 50 or better.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 01:06 pm:

Tom Thanks so much for the update!

Good Luck and have a Safe day to all the racers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 03:38 pm:

Thank you all!
Drive carefully, and enjoy! W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 10:36 pm:

Sounds like real cool weather for the past two days for the race, Like in sleet, ice and rain. Perfect day for a T that over heats maybe.

Think the top four have stayed about the same. Maybe Tom will post later.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Tuesday, June 17, 2014 - 11:27 pm:

Montana Freeze-hundred day two:

NameHometownMilesTotalAvg.
1Mike StormoDavenport, WA39107:20:4853
2Jillian RobisonValley Ford, WA39107:23:2853
3Dennis PowersOdgen, Iowa39107:29:0052
4Tom CarnegieSpokane Valley, WA39107:30:0952
5Garrett GreenOrange, CA39107:33:4352
6Mike CuffeEureka, MT39107:37:5951
7Mike RobisonValley Ford, WA39107:39:5851
8Dan BrownLa Porte City, Iowa39107:41:2351
9Rick CarnegieOtis Orchards, WA39107:44:4551
10Bill MullinsSpokane, Wa39107:47:3350
11Alex Sandy WattOrange, CA39107:55:0749
12Jamie AllenGreen Acres, Wa39107:55:3449
13Dan & Dwayne LukowskiKansas City, Missouri39108:17:5447
14Andria MyersLong Beach, CA39108:28:1746
15Ed MarshallBurley, WA39108:30:0646
16Patrick BarrettRainier, WA39109:07:3743
17Sergio HernandezBelle Gardens, CA36107:56:2650
18Gary YeagerCheney, WAwithdrew
19Gator WaldronWashingtonwithdrew


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pat Kelly on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 01:54 am:

A few flicks of the pit stop at Don's place in Noxon. The speedster tour cruised in first. We had a rare sun break. Don and Bev provided coffee and rolls. PK










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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 11:17 pm:

1Mike Stormo09:03:03
2Jillian Robison09:04:31
3Tom Carnegie09:14:16
4Dennis Powers09:14:38
5Garrett Green09:17:05
6Mike Robison09:23:22
7Mike Cuffe09:23:58
8Dan Brown09:27:06
9Rick Carnegie09:27:40
10Bill Mullins09:32:23
11Jamie Allen09:45:36
12Alex Sandy Watt09:46:00
13Dan and Dwayne Lukowski10:09:57
14Andria Myers10:16:01
15Ed Marshall10:23:51
16Patrick Barrett11:08:06
17Sergio Hernandez09:42:00
18Gary Yeagerwithdrew
19Gator Waldronwithdrew


Final order


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 11:29 pm:

Pat and Tom,
Thanks for posting. Definitely on my "bucket list" to see your event.
Enjoy,
Rob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 11:36 pm:

Congratulations to 2014 winners, Mike and Jullian!

I hope the weather was a bit better for the final leg. It will be very interesting to see what the speeds were for this years run.

Thanks for posting Tom!

Gene ... let's see now ... Montana 500, so that's 500 miles, time above 9 hours (forget about the 0.0508 hours that 3 mins & 3 secs equates to)
55.55 mph !!!!

The timekeepers might have a more accurate number.



Chris

PS see you in San Diego



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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Hutchinson on Wednesday, June 18, 2014 - 11:43 pm:

Congratulations to all! Finishing is tough, not finishing is even tougher. Great finish MIke, Jillian, Tom. What a year!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Robison on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 01:38 am:

I'm home from the run. I've done a few of these 500's and this had to be one of the coldest and wettest on record. The Final leg was a photo finish with Jillian nearly passing Stormo at the end. Awesome group to learn from, this event should be on everyone's bucket list.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Mullins on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:13 am:

My car didn't get done this year so I want to thank Tom who loan me an awesome car & the Tuesday night guys at the Antique Auto Ranch for encouragement to run.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:42 am:

Wow! Jillian was off the winning time by only a minute and a half over the 500 miles. She can be very proud of her showing. Well, Mike Stormo can be proud too, but he's not as pretty.

Mike R. -- I know she's your wife, but I still think she's pretty. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Sullivan, Powell WY on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:44 am:

Phone rings: "Brian, I am in the middle of snowstorm and I think there are Model Ts all around me...."

My father and son were hauling a semi load of piggies to CA out of Northern MT this week. Ended up in the middle of the racing in a snowstorm coming over a mountain pass. He was real impressed that you could drive that fast and work a hand operated wiper. He was very impressed with those fast enough to choose the no-wiper-at-all option. Enjoyed watching you all in the midst of terrible conditions. Apologies for anything that might have been dripping from the trailer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:58 am:

Great achievement :-)
What were the problems Sergio H,Gary Y and Gator W had?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 10:57 am:

Sergio dropped a valve keeper, Gary had to watch the World Cup and Gator got a crack in his oil pan.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 09:29 pm:

A little more information. I didn't have access to the spreadsheet when I posted the first results.

NameHometownMilesTotalDay 1Day 2Day 3Avg. Speed
Mike StormoDavenport, WA49209:03:0303:27:4803:53:0001:42:1554.36
Jillian RobisonValley Ford, WA49209:04:3103:30:4203:52:4601:41:0354.21
Tom CarnegieSpokane Valley, WA49209:14:1603:32:3503:57:3401:44:0753.26
Dennis PowersOdgen, Iowa49209:14:3803:31:5403:57:0601:45:3853.22
Garrett GreenOrange, CA49209:17:0503:34:5803:58:4501:43:2252.99
Mike RobisonValley Ford, WA49209:23:2203:36:3804:03:2001:43:2452.40
Mike CuffeErueka, MT49209:23:5803:33:1804:04:4101:45:5952.34
Dan BrownLa Porte City, Iowa49209:27:0603:39:1204:02:1101:45:4352.05
Rick CarnegieOtis Orchards, WA49209:27:4003:44:0604:00:3901:42:5552.00
Bill MullinsSpokane, Wa49209:32:2303:47:2804:00:0501:44:5051.57
Jamie AllenGreen Acres, Wa49209:45:3603:45:4404:09:5001:50:0250.41
Alex Sandy WattSandy Eggo, CA49209:46:0003:44:5304:10:1401:50:5350.38
Dan & Dwayne LukowskiKansas City, Missouri49210:09:5704:00:3304:17:2101:52:0348.40
Andria MyersLong Beach, CA49210:16:0104:14:3204:13:4501:47:4447.92
Ed MarshallBurley, WA49210:23:5103:54:2304:35:4301:53:4547.32
Patrick BarrettRaineer, WA49211:08:0604:14:1804:53:1902:00:2944.19
Sergio HernandezBelle Gardens, CA46209:42:0003:36:5804:18:2801:46:3451.75
Gary YeagerCheney, WA19006:10:0004:26:1501:43:4500:00:0042.82
Gator WaldronWashington15403:55:3903:55:3900:00:0000:00:0049.09


I believe that this is the fastest average top speed ever for a Montana 500 despite three days of rain.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By mike peterson on Thursday, June 19, 2014 - 10:24 pm:

Way to go Mike Stormo !!!!!!!!!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warwick Landy on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 02:09 am:

Thanks Tom for posting the results. An average of 54.36 MPH is very impressive. Do you have a record of your tope speed reached? To keep up an average of 53 some of those down hill runs must be fast. Maybe I can make it next year??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 09:28 am:

That speed is especially impressive when you remember that the pavement was wet much of the time. You guys (and gals) are crazy!! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 10:42 am:

Warwick Landy:

When I was running the 500 I saw 70 on two different GPS. That was going down hill. I never saw over 60 on the flats. I saw 25 one time above Butte going up a very steep hill. That was the only time I ever had to go to low pedal.

Mike Walker:

Have you never done any thing that was exciting?
I ran the 500 12 time and it was the most fun I ever had with a T. Some of the guys around here will only go across town once a month to the Ice Cream Parlor.

Montana 500


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Pat Kelly on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 10:51 am:

This is what happens if you win in the 500. They looked inside the differential with a bore scope for correct bearings, checked the gear ratio, looked in the transmission, checked the head, stroke and piston height as well as pulled the pan. I'm new to this and was impressed! This was a no B.S. post run inspection. It was also great that the Libby Ford dealership allowed the use of their shop. Great event. PK


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Huson, Berthoud, Co. on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:04 am:

The part on this lap was I believe was 35 miles. I caught up with another driver and we raced fender to fender for the 35 miles. Neither of us could outrun the other. The next pit stop was in kind of a ghost town. When we flagged in they gave us a tie because the timers could not figure who was ahead. It had been a air force town but they had left. The only business in town was two bars. We gassed up at the bars and paid the bar tender. The town was right on the Idaho border. Mike Walker, do you think that is not fun, try it!!!! You might like it.

racer


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:09 am:

Question, The speeds you guys average are way above what the T was made to go. I assume that all the T's have wire wheels? Is there anything done to the steering to improve handling? I know I get over 40mph with mine and she's all over the road. How do you guys keep them straight and not wandering back and forth?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:21 am:

Will,
Mostly wire wheels but some wood also.

Steering has to be stock. If your car wanders check for any looseness and for correct caster. It should run straight down the road.
Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:32 am:

Why does the fuel line go up on the cream colored roadster?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:32 am:

So, did the top 3 pass inspection ?

Dave H., you seem to be getting a might critical in your old age !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 11:33 am:

were the top 3 all 27 roadsters?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Robison on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:00 pm:

Anthony, no #1 was a 1927, #2 was a 1924, #3 was a 1926.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Mullins on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:32 pm:

Anthony J Marino

The line is turned up to prevent seeping from the shut off valve while disconnected from carb.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:35 pm:

Bear in mind that this was at the lowest elevation in Montana, some of it at around 2000 feet. Most of the other races have been run at 4-8,500 feet. You T will run out of air pretty quick when the air is thinner. Also hot air is thinner. This was cold wet air which is good for running hard and fast. Even Stormo probably wouldn't be as fast if they had been going over some of the mountain passes they have gone over years before.

Anybody who thinks they really know how to tune a T and make it run fast needs to put one together and show up. Lots of guys have come with a "hot" T to show the local farm boys how to do it. It's fun to watch 'em when they get left in the dust. =) If you have never seen these cars run, put it on your bucket list.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:36 pm:

Amthony, the fuel line goes up so that it won't drip while it is disconnected from the carb.

I think the number one handling thing is that most of the T's, and all of the top T's have tubular hydraulic shocks. I think that this is the number one point of safety on a T. Even more important than good brakes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Stan Howe Helena, Montana on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:39 pm:

By the way, my congratulations to Miss Jillian, who has been doing this for several years and placed 2nd this year, losing out to Mike Stormo by only a few seconds over 500 miles and several days. She ALWAYS looks better than Stormo even if she isn't quite as fast as he is. That is Miss Jillian's pink and black car.

It's amazing that Stormo beat her because he is carrying a LOT more weight up the hills than she is. (Stormo will get me for that comment!)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 12:41 pm:

Bill beat me to it. What Stan says about elevation is correct. The next fastest run (I think) was held in Thompson Falls in 2008 on some of the same roads. On that run I averaged over 54 mph and lost!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 01:13 pm:

Regarding the tubular hydraulic shocks, are they restored period parts, or are modern equivalents allowed?

I would love to see pictures of the shocks and how they are mounted if someone could post them, thanks.

Several months ago I crossed some railroad tracks at too high a speed (I was trying to get a run for a long hill coming up) and nearly got launched out of the seat when the springs rebounded. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 01:19 pm:

Dave -- I'm all for excitement, but I try to avoid danger when I can. Driving 70 mph on wet pavement is not something I do in my modern car, let alone a Model T.

I admire all the folks who run the MT 500, and I admire the capabilities of their cars. The fact that they will run as fast as they do is impressive, but the fact that they can do that safely is a true testament to the skills of the folks who built those cars.

But I still think they're a little bit crazy. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Will Copeland - Trenton, New Jersey on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 01:30 pm:

Tom, What are tubular hydraulic shocks?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 01:40 pm:

Try this thread for shock info.

http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/118802/127436.html?1273351573


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 02:23 pm:

Thanks, Tom. It's neat that you worked out a way for them to be 100% bolt-on with no added holes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 06:34 pm:

Jillian's speed secret revealed? I have seen the pink T, with a pink timer, if she isn't using these, she ought to.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/14282018249/in/photostream/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/bruckzone/14467335182/in/photostream/

I'm gonna try them in my 26 on a club tour tomorrow.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By george house on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 07:54 pm:

Congratulations to Mike !! You've been trying for a win for years ! And congratulations to all the others for their terrific times. I really enjoyed reading the entire shock absorber thread you gave us above, Tom. Just can't imagine maintaining those incredible speeds in a mostly stock Model T under those horrible weather conditions. But I'm getting closer to coming to MT to run in the tourist class with either a tudor or centerdoor. And for my Spokane friends: When are ya'll gonna get Harvey's '14 touring on the road?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 09:22 pm:

George, I sure hope you make it up some day. You know that we'll have a ton of fun. Harvey still has 34 rear ends he has to tear apart before he can get back to work on his 14.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, June 20, 2014 - 09:56 pm:

Miss Jillian certainly needs some of those pink Firestone spark plugs! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 12:57 pm:

Congratulations Mike and all the guys and gals!

Have a safe trip back and start getting ready for next year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 02:27 pm:

Are those timed legs between stops or do they include gas stops and what-not? You have to have one fast Model T to get an average speed of 54 mph.

I made the trip from Cleveland, Ohio to San Antonio, Texas (~1400 miles) many times, twice on a motor cycle, and never averaged better than 60 mph. That's straight through including gas, eat and potty breaks. But I can say I was rarely doing less than 70+ mph.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthony J Marino on Monday, June 23, 2014 - 02:40 pm:

:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Monday, June 23, 2014 - 03:04 pm:

The average does not include stops.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, June 23, 2014 - 03:19 pm:

Don't you think Dyna-beads reduce the need for shocks?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Mullins on Monday, June 23, 2014 - 03:41 pm:

Shocks hold the car to the road,Dyna-beads reduce wheel/tire vibrations.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, June 29, 2014 - 08:51 pm:

Jillian has posted some of her pictures and videos to Photobucket. Here is a video of her barreling along at 60 mph in a the middle of a rainstorm (which was nearly all of the time this year).

http://s163.photobucket.com/user/modeltbabe/media/2014%20Montana%20500/M4H00718_ zpsedfde9a9.mp4.html?sort=3&o=15

Here is the link to her photo's.

http://s163.photobucket.com/user/modeltbabe/library/2014%20Montana%20500?sort=3& page=1


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison_Rice Minnesota on Sunday, June 29, 2014 - 09:16 pm:

I've got 4 of those radioactive Firestone spark plugs. They glow in the dark at night.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Sunday, June 29, 2014 - 09:55 pm:

Thanks for posting Tom. Kinda looks like you all ran the 500 on our side of the mountains !

Did all of you 3 top finishers pass final inspection ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 12:25 am:

Yeah Steve, I felt for the speedsters who were touring with us with no tops. Most of them backed out after the first day and I didn't blame them. No problems in the tear down for a 1-2-3 sweep by the Spokane T club.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 09:41 am:

Can't say I blame them - been in that situation before in the Racer - kinda takes the fun out of it !

Congratulations to you all & your Club !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 01:40 pm:

Some of us (speedsters) did day 1, rain in the morning and turned nice in the afternoon. Woke to 44 and steady rain on day 2 with a forecast that said cold rain all day and stayed inside. Cold and rain with no top or fenders is tends to dampen the fun a bit. Day 3 we were back out with a little wet but not bad. Real fun to watch these folks prepare for, run the race, and inspect at the end. Great folks even if they do routinely push the envelope more than I care to in a stock T. Did some touring before the run, beautiful area. Of course the clouds left the day after the race when we were on our way out so we could see better. We'll be back.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Kossor on Monday, June 30, 2014 - 11:11 pm:

Congratulations to the Spokane Team! Hope a great time was had by all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Tuesday, July 01, 2014 - 02:40 pm:

Thanks Mike. Walt I sure hope you do make it back for a run with nicer weather. It has rained before on the 500, but never like this year in my experience.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walt Berdan, Bellevue, WA on Tuesday, July 01, 2014 - 03:58 pm:

Tom - We'll be back. A good sign was when my wife said she would like to come back again when we were driving in the rain on Monday. She's a trooper. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Thursday, July 10, 2014 - 07:48 pm:

Link to Libby, MT article.

http://www.thewesternnews.com/libby_troy_events/washington-man-wins-montana-model-t-race/article_e9d7faa4-fbd1-11e3-b631-0019bb2963f4.html

The print article had a different picture.

jb


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