I spent Fathers day with my folks at Autumn Leaves Retirement home in Dallas. While there we spent a couple hours giving rides in the '14 to residents. Many of the residents are widows, so they were not celebrating Fathers Day. They sure had a good time riding around White Rock Lake, and we had a good time taking them.
Afterwards we went up to the apartment and looked through a scrap book Dad kept in the 1960's. This newspaper clipping was in the book, from a 1960 issue (25th anniversary of the founding of the AACA) of the Minneapolis Star Tribune.
Many of us forget some times that the old car hobby started well before WWII.
Darel, how was the trip?
It was a great trip. Several of the, now old timers, were o the trip. There are not many of us left from the 200 that made the trip. Joe Merchio, a collector from the New York area and the owner of great cars (a 1911 Mercer Raceabout) was on the trip. He became a good friend. When in Amsterdam, he had the bus stop, so he could by some unmounted diamonds to take back. He owned a fancy nightclub. Pollack, who owned two Chadwicks was on the trip. I Last talked to him about 5 years ago. He was then in his mid 90s.
Glen Radke, had nice cars. He died about 10 years ago and his cars were sold at auction. It included a great 1937 Cord sedan.
The group landed in Belgium and the first night included a meal at a fancy restaurant. The main course was horse meat. The restaurant also had co-ed rest rooms. We toured Europe and visited various museums. One included a 1908 Model S touring. Then across the channel to England for the 1960 London To Brighton Antique car run which is limited to 1904 autos or older. In 2010 my wife and I attended the 50th anniversary run.
Must go now, It has started to rain here (again) and I got to bring some things in.
Royce -- thanks for posting and for giving a lot of special people a ride down memory lane in the T!
Darel -- any additional leads on photos or information about the 1908 Model S Touring? Do you remember which country it was in? Were any photos of the S-touring taken and if so do you know if any were published?
The Nov - Dec 1976 "Model T Times" had an article about Cecil Church; Model S Touring. But the one you saw would have been 15 or so years before Cecil's article.
And so I don't misplace the data again, Cecil's article shared that the Nov 16, 1907 "Autocar" magazine showed a picture of the Model S touring and stated that Perry, Thorton & Schreiber, 117 Long Acre, London have 5 examples for viewing. I did a quick Google search for Nov 16, 1907 "Autocar" magazine but I did not see anything with that Nov 16 date. But if anyone does find that reference or other Model S touring references, please let us know.
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There is still a touring example of a Model N in the UK, I believe at the Science Academy Museum (?). Below are two references to the four passenger Ford N that competed in the 1907 Irish and Scottish trials. Due to the RAC horsepower rating the N was forced to use a tourer/touring body and carry four persons. The photo that appeared in "The Automotor" claims this is the car. If so, it must have had a detachable tonnneau? Notice the fore doors:
I thought I had it somewhere.....
Thank you so much for finding and posting the Nov 16, 1907 "Autocar" article! I sure was hoping that it had a different view of that car and a better quality photo -- such as the one you posted first form the Aug 3, 1907 Automotor Journal. From the information we have so far, the Model S Touring appears to have been sold in the UK in very small numbers and possibly in the USA in very small numbers. An illustration from that same photo was used in several other advertisements -- even one that used it to introduce the new Model T (hey -- it was close). And of course it had/has the Model T shaped radiator at the top rather than the Model N,R,S,&SR shaped radiator at the top but still had the N,R,S,&SR water pump built into the radiator.
And yes, I would think the first photo the car had a removable rear seat section. The S-Roadster rear seat could be removed and for that matter you could put another front seat on the rear seat area and have a Tourabout. That is also what Ford did when he introduced the Tourabout in Jul 1909ish as a 1910 model year offering. (Ref: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/1909.htm where Bruce states: "Tourabout shown in Ford Times but not produced until July, and then called “1910”cars."
Again than you so much for the additional information.
And if anyone has information about that Model S Touring seen by Darel in a museum somewhere in Europe -- please let us know. I would like to track down a photo and even find out if the car is still out there. It probably is, unless it was lost in a major accident such as a building fire etc. Also please confirm the year of the trip – from reading the above I think it would have been in 1960.
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My son grew up admiring Superman, Spider-man and Barry Bonds.
My Super-Hero's were guys like Ed Archer, Bill Harrah and Darel J. Leipold who was on the back cover of Hemmings when it was 6" x 9". The guy had all the neat stuff I couldn't afford.
It always makes my day to see those names here once and a while.
This Model NRS phaeton is in England at the Museum of Science:
The fore doors appear similar to the runabout that appeared in the june 1907 Irish and Scottish trials:
The tourer I saw was red in color and, in my memory, the body resembled that used on the 1909 T. If it had a top, the top was folded down. It was not as fancy as the green one pictured.
This advertisement appeared in a German magazine in late 1907. I suspect the specifications were given during James Couzens' and Mr. Lockwood's (the first name escapes me, Ford foreign sales agent) European visit. Is it possible the car you saw resembled one of the 20 hp cars shown?
Thank you, rob
A copy of the cover of a 1976 Model T Times magazine. The late Cecil Church recreated this Model S touring (Mr. Church also owned our Model K a one time). This car is now part of a private collection still in the states:
Ford of England never referred to that car as either a Model N, R or S in official literature. It is a Double Phaeton.
Yes, as I remember the tourer, it was like the one shown above. It was in a museum, but not in England.
Right, the two seater is a Model N. The Double Phaeton is a Double Phaeton.