looking to purchase any and all to make a complete set of proper FORD 1914 tools.
Mike, are there numbers on the tools that I should look for? I'd like to assemble a set for my '14 touring. What is your research source?
Don't go by that picture. the #2335 wrench, for example, is wrong. Not all of it is shown, so I'm not sure if it's 1915-1920 or 1920-1927, but it's not 1914.
See pages 651 through 672 in the encyclopedia for tools. Find it here: http://dauntlessgeezer.com/DG80.html.
Also, if you type MTFCA: tools in Google you'll find long discussions of tools with lots of pictures. Some are on tools in general, and some are on specific tools.
This is supposed to be an original packing list for Ford cars in 1914. It lists the tools and extras but there's no part numbers. You should be able to get the part numbers out of the Big Black Book.
That list shows what tools should be included, but it doesn't tell which tools. By that I mean it shows, for example, that there should be a hub wrench, but doesn't specify which hub wrench. Staying with that one example, the #1349 hub wrench varied not only from year to year, but also from maker to maker. Ford tools were made by other companies, not by Ford, and hub wrenches issued during 1914 may have varied according to who made them. The same goes for many of the other tools. A tool for any particular year may have different markings on it and have other variations, though they all have the same part number.
Not only that, but the monkey and screwdriver above are Model A and the pliers look V8 era.
Monkey? You were sposed to get a monkey with your Model T tool roll? Man, seems like it might be kind of helpful but what a pain in the neck to feed. And I hear they fling their own poop around.
Kind of neat that Ford was so ahead of his time though. Especially when they eventually came out with the "Trunk Monkey".
Down east here in Maine, any adjustable wrench is often called a monkey wrench. Be that as it may, the Adjustable Wrench above, with the "USA" on it was used after Nov. 25th 1931, so in actually is probably a V8 wrench.
The tool kit in this dis[play, while for my late 1913 is probably correct for a 1914. Early 1913 had a different spark plug wrench and #1349 wrench.
I STILL think the jack was originally silver or gray and not black.
While we're on the subject of correct tools, I've been looking for the right pliers for my '15 tool kit for quite some time. All I've found are the later ones. Does anyone have a spare correct one? I'll put this in the Classifieds as well.
The jack was indeed silver. I've never been able to figure out why. I just finished restoring an original Buckeye. What a job! They have three springs inside of them, and I had to figure out what they looked like. From what I've seen, the tool roll on the pre '16 Fords were made out of at least three pieces of scrap top material. I have an original that is similar to the one pictured above, but the flap is not tapered. I also have a 1913 tool list, and it is similar to the 1914 pictured above, but it lists the spark plug wrench and handle. It is dated March 1, 1913.
I just pulled out my tool list, and it was packed by 2089! The Ford Manual on mine is called a Book of Instructions.
Charles, I think your #2335 may be 1915-1920. (I can't see all of it).
When I first started to put together a "correct" tool set for 1913 I obtained a 1349 with the Mae West shape and the 1904 spark plug wrench. And, based on a comment by Kim Dobbins in a thread about jacks, painted my jack silver.
THEN THE OTHER CLUB CAME OUT WITH 6th EDITION JUDGING GUIDELINES!
According to these in 1913:
Hubcap Wrench: Early cars had stamped steel wrench with two wrench hexes, Mae west shape, with no markings. Later cars had stamped steel wrench, oval shape with no markings.
Spark plug wrench: Design changed to combination wrench for cylinder head and spark plug, closed end design.
Jack: Forged steel painted black. Ford name in block letters. Now standard equipment.
SO I REVISED MY TOOL SET, AND REPAINTED MY JACK!!!!
I WISH I COULD FIND DEFINITIVE DOCUMENTATION REGARDING THESE "CHANGES" AND DATES. ESPECIALLY THE JACK--IT LOOKED MUCH BETTER SILVER.
I have to say I'm a bit disappointed you gents didn't enjoy those HILARIOUS "trunk monkey" commercials. I thought my post combined with the video were a pretty dynamic duo. Oh well, tough crowd.
I've seen several obviously original block lettered jacks in silver. I don't care what any club says, I do things to please me.
Yep, there's enough conflicting and/or vague "information" to make tool selection an educated guess. I'll carry a 1920-1927 #2335 in my '23 touring and an earlier #2335 in my '15 runabout, but I'm not going to worry about whether my hub wrench, monkey wrench, pliers, etc., are "correct" for the car. For me, any #1907 or #1349 is OK to carry in a driver.
Agee with you. I have a set of "user tools" for the 13 as well as the show tools. My grandmother used to carry 2 handkerchiefs, one was the "shower" and the other was the "blower".
I am interested in tools. I have a Model A that I have put together a "show set" for, in an old black suitcase.
Here is my 1913 Tool List, plus some original tool roll pictures> . This tool roll is from an original 1915, and note the seams where the scrap pieces of top material were sewn together to make it. Also note there is NO taper to the flap.
So nobody says hey I have a tool, a tool roll for a 1914 and it a complete set and or I know of someone Mile who will or can help ya?
There's a very good reason nobody has come up with a complete set for you. They're mighty scarce as a full set. How many sets of anything with a dozen pieces are likely to stay together for 100 years? I think your best bet is to do the research and find out what belongs in the set, then collect the individual pieces. Some pieces, like the hub wrench, will be easy. Others, like the screwdriver, may take several years and cost a bundle unless you get really lucky.
It's just not that easy, mike, when it comes to model T tools. The model A guys have tools down to a month by month science.
With model T tools, there is a lot of info out there, but also lots of gray areas. I'm not aware that anyone has made study of model year by model year, and each tool had many variations and changes over their production life. I suggest using Larry Smiths list, get those common tools, and if you really want them right, start studying, and replace things as you get smarter.
Jack Daron is also very knowledgable about tools, and has always fixed me up when I needed something special. Good luck and have fun.
I suppose I've been luckier than most people on tools. I've picked up a lot of early tools at Hershey from people that just plain didn't know what they had. And, I've sold a few too. I basically have gone by the pictures in the parts books that Steve Jelf has posted. I'm sure most of the early tools had NO Ford script on them, except the #27 band wrench. Does anyone know why they called it that? With two more numbers, they could have used the part number!
What I have done, using the photos in the Ford catalogs, is set up ratio and proportion problems to determine the exact size of the tools, and I've used calipers too for that. The only problem with that is I am assuming that all the photos were taken at the same time, and no one knows if that happened.