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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ryan Glowacki on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:21 am:

This is a picture of my great grandpa horsing around (second from the left). Wondering if you boys could identify that car....and yes that is his motorcycle hitched to his wagon. Sadly, I have the wagon, not the car or the motorcycle :-(


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:24 am:

Same as the one here? (Scroll down)
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/454382.html?1403350159


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ryan Glowacki on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:29 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ryan Glowacki on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 11:30 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Phillips on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 06:07 pm:

cadillac


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 08:02 pm:

"Sadly I have the wagon and not the car or the motorcycle" I would be very happy to have anything that my Great Grandpa once owned.

Very nice photo and it is great to have some family history.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 09:26 pm:

Dennis, how true. As far as I have been able to find out, one of my great-grandfathers was a grocer in Kingston, Ontario. In 1886, his father (a Methodist Minister) gave him and my great-grandmother a parlor clock. He spent $6 for it. (Third item on the right-hand page. George was my great-grandfather.)




I can't drive it around the block, but it is on my mantel and I wind it every week.



It may well be the most valuable (sentimental value, that is - no idea what the monetary value is and don't care.) family heirloom we have. I once calculated in a spreadsheet the number of times that clock has ticked in the last 128 years. The result is in the billions....)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Saylor on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 09:28 pm:

Any idea who the profile is of?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 09:34 pm:

Beautiful clock and great memories.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 09:57 pm:

Grandparents are given names by their grandchildren. My great-grandmother was "Nammie," which was the name for her that my father came up with when he was very small. Forever after in the family, she was Nammie. She was born in 1866 and widowed when she was 40. She lived to be 96. (Long time to be a widow...) As far back as I can remember, the clock was referred to as "Nammie's clock." My grandparents had it, then my parents had it, and now I have it. When I talk about it with my children, I still call it Nammie's clock.

John, my guess is that it is a generic cameo of a woman's profile.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brass car guy on Saturday, June 21, 2014 - 10:15 pm:

I suggest the car is a 1911 Cadillac model 30. While the 1909-10-11's were nearly the same, I believe the side lamps appear to be black and nickel trim which would place it in the 1911 range.

just sayin'

brasscarguy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 08:39 am:

It doesn't look quite right for a Cadillac, particularly the headlamp forks. Maybe a McFarlan?



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Mazza on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 09:23 am:

I think its too small to be Cadillac, or Mcfarlan, next to the motorbike, its clear the front wheels would be 30 by 3


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Mazza on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 09:27 am:

The bike may be an emblem.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Hylen- Central Minnesota on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 03:51 pm:

I think the car may be a '12 Maxwell Messenger with a non-stock, lowered front axle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 05:20 pm:

Ryan,

If you can scan the photo at a higher resolution, I believe there is a good chance the name or the clue to the name is on the top radiator tank. See where I zoomed in below. I believe I can make out a OP but a higher resolution copy may give us the actual name. While you can not post the entire photo at a higher resolution, you can crop it and just post the car and it will be helpful. Also, If you e-mail me a copy, I will try and see if I can zoom in and change the contrast and see what it reads.



Also you probably know where the photo was taken, but if you let us know we can rule out a lot of cars made in far away countries.

David,

Iím not sure what type of motorcycle it is and I do not know what size tire it has. But I drew some red lines showing the height of the front wheel and then grouped those and moved them back. You can see how the angle of the photo and distance from the camera makes the front wheel on the motorcycle print much larger than the rear wheel on the same bike. I suspect actually they are the same size. In yellow I did the same thing with the rear wheel of the motorcycle and compared that to the front wheel of the car. While not a scientific way to do it, I believe from those lines, the carís front wheels are actually taller than the motorcycle front wheels. Someone who is better with photos and distortion can chime in and say thatís about right or Iím in left field again. [Actually Iíve been in left field enough to sort of feel at home thereÖ.]



Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 05:49 pm:

Ryan,

I forgot to mention that you can click on my name and it brings up my forum profile. My e-mail address is the third line down.

Respectfully added,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Mazza on Sunday, June 22, 2014 - 05:52 pm:

hap is right on, the tires on motorbikes around that time were normally 28 by 3, so the car being rearward in the pic would be about 30 by 3 tires. So we should be looking for a smaller american car of 20-25hp


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren W. Mortensen on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 03:25 am:

Flanders?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By charley shaver on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 07:40 am:

radiator is not the right shape for Flanders. charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ryan Glowacki on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 08:14 am:

This photo was taken in Illinois, 60 miles west of Chicago. The motorcycle was my great grandpa's and was an Indian, I believe. I wish I had a better resolution photo, but all I have is the copy my great aunt made for me. Walmart didn't do a good job scanning originals.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 10:17 pm:

Ryan,

Did your Great Aunt e-mail you the scan or give it to you on the Wal-Mart CD? The reason I am asking, the Wal-Mart here often places both low resolution files as well as high resolution files on the same CD. So if I wanted to e-mail the photo or post it, I just click on the low resolution one. And if I wanted to print out an 8 x 10 I would use the high resolution one.

If you really want to know and the original photograph is still available, if it is scanned at 600 x 600 DPI you should be able to make out all sorts of additional details. I've posted the illustration below several times but I can't find a quick link so I'll post it one more time. I used to carry that 3 x 2 1/2 inch photograph of my Dad, Mom, Sister, and my Grandparents in my wallet. It kept getting worse and worse so I pulled it out and put it in a drawer. Below is a low resolution scan that looks ok on the computer screen. You can see the many cracks in the photo from the billfold.



Below is the license tag zoomed in on the low resolution scan:



Below is the license tag zoomed in on a high resolution scan from the same poor quality photograph but much higher scan/resolution.



Notice on the higher resolution photo I can make out the year of the license tag as "50" for 1950 on the Texas tag. The higher resolution scan and/or posting can make a big difference unless the original photo area is out of focus or in the shadows etc.

I suspect there is an excellent chance the name or letters on the radiator could be read then.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Phillips on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 10:54 pm:

interesting headlights on that T - Look like chev superior


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, June 24, 2014 - 11:58 pm:

Nobody else has picked this nit, so I'll point out that the motorcycle is hitched to a buggy, not a wagon. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harris, Huntington Beach California on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 12:37 am:

The motorcycle is belt drive. Probably not an Indian as most were chain drive. Could be a Harley.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, June 25, 2014 - 03:42 am:

Harleys had two springs in the front, never a single one I think, and it doesn't look like any Indian I've seen so maybe David Mazza is right, an Emblem?
Here's a 1910 Emblem single for reference:
Emblem


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