Is there a definitive list of tools supplied with a 1912 Ford? Was there a "tool roll"? Were all 1912's supplied with a Ford tire pump? Were these supplied tools listed in the parts book?
When I purchased my barn fresh 1912 there were some tools under the seats and I an wondering what is and is not correct.
There have been some discussions on this, some of them pretty long with lots of good information and pictures. Here's one to start with.
The 1912 tools are shown in the 1913 parts catalog. The hubcap wrench and screwdriver are tough to find. Tire tools were from various outside suppliers.
Early '12 tool kit collected and shown with winning car....
I doubt if the tools were painted. Who knows? I bought a tool roll with most of the original tools in it at an antique store in upstate NY years ago, and none of the tools were painted. I have two original screwdrivers, unrestored, that still have the factory paint on the wood handle.
I think they look nice in that Matt black finish, but who really knows. I bought a pristine model A tool pouch and the tools all had a black paint finish on them. All the tool pouches I ever have found were all made from top material, likely scraps. This one shown doesn't look like top material, but looks nice Also bought a ford script wire wheel lug Wrench that was finished in nickel plate. Pretty sure a lot people made tools for ford , and so many variables. I wish more study was done on tools, and these threads are a good start, but still much to figure out.
I've seen some Z tools that were either nickel or zinc plated.
The problem with tool research is it would take as much time as tracing the evolution of something major...the actual drawings are/were only representative (yet the where used years SHOULD be on the drawings)
If I had a month to kill, I'd stop in BFM, take advantage of those free look-ups and OK to do photos with a cell...and get started.
Like others who have tried in the past...I spent years putting together my first tool kit with many false starts, but best short term solutions...then had the brain- hiccup to buy anything and everything that had a 3Z on it or a 5Z on it...and found that a bunch of what turned up was machine tool fixtures from Rouge ...which are nice but only clouds the issue.
I STILL think, not just for tools, but for other 'stuff'too...a few of us should plan a 'static tour' each year with our butts firmly planted on stools while we look at microfilm...haha...nice fellowship, easy dinners, take a walk in the park, errr...village! Local guys bring their cars over...
Royce posted the plate used in '12. Want to have some fun? What are those strange ones...the ones made generally for the service branches but available to all? I surprised myself, got most of them right!
I once went looking in the archive for the HCCT prints (part # 18-Z-245).
A knowledgeable fellow I know who does significant research at the Benson Ford Research Center told me records for the Ford "Z" tools are either non existent or never been located.
One more point, I suspect, but cannot prove, many of these tools used the Ford "Raven" finish.
Ron the Coilman
I have several Ford "Z" tools with a nickel finish as Larry eluded to above.
I have several very nice (read hardly used) tools that have very nice nickel on them. Now the question is was this just the dealer tools vs. Raven finish on the car tool kit tools?
Example would be the big "T" wrenches 5 Z 159, 160, 161 and the main bearing wrenches like 5 Z 156 are all nickel.
I have spent several days at Benson, and my eyes give out just about the time my butt does. For big prints, I had to copy 4 or 6 pages or more and then splice things together, a lot of work for sure. Don't know if they have improved that, but it is a pain.
I will look for some tool plates to add here, as those are useful. If there isn't much info in the archives , it may be the best we can do from year to year, but we all know about artist license, too. Actual pictures of tools that have survived In good condition would be useful too. I think I have several in a raven finish as Ron suggests. The beautiful set shown above would be close. The later tool I have (model A) are a shinier black. I will add a picture here of my tire pumps, and maybe folks can attach some years to them.
If we could just get the Sherlock "K " bulldog interested in tools, we would have it made.
Due to the lack of detailed dimensions on the tool drawings, it seems they were intended for what is generally referred to as "parts control drawing" for purpose of identifying the major dimensions of interest (length of screwdriver for instance) and not intended to be a specification of the exact details and dimensions to be used in fabrication. Further the lack of "finish" info would point to the fact that Ford needed to assign his own part to the item to keep tract of inventory but the purchasing document (PO) probably called out the manufacturers part number and the fit and finish was then as the manufacturer advertised it or quoted it to Ford. This would be a common thing when the part was made whole by an outside vendor and likely (but not necessarily) a standard market item. Lack of Ford script or part number on most early tools also substantiates this further. I know that at least one of the tools in the early tool roll was in fact custom for Ford and it did show an early crude Ford script on it. Actual drawings didn't seem to get formalized on any of the tools till about 1912 and later. The early tools seemed to have been given ordinary Ford Factory numbers at first (example is Spark plug socket which began in 1912) but then later the 5Z designations and such began to be used for tools only and as Ron stated - those drawings don't seem to exist in the Ford archives or have not been found yet.
1919 listing...note "regular equipment "
19261926 parts book tool list-
1929 tool list
Jacks. The early Buckeye brand jack came with a cast iron handle. If anyone has an extra, I would like to purchase. Hard to find one with the block letters "FORD" on the side . My guess is they were provided with and without the FORD on them. Next is the very common, and best jack, in my opinion. This one is ford script on the attached handle. Lots of variations, and my belief is not all were marked ford. Next is the stamped steel jack. Made by Walker and Ajax. Next to that is the jack with the flip down top. Also made by Walker and Ajax. The model A guys who really have researched this stuff say the flip down without the hole in the top is model T. The one with the hole is model A. The flip down was provided to work with the lowered front axle and raised spindles in 1926. I personally would never trust one of these stamped steel jacks with my life under the car. They have a bad habit of lowering rather quickly. The far right jack is the TT style. Not shown is the TT jack handle. I have a couple around here somewhere and will. post when I find it. It would be neat to put aprox dates with these, if anyone out there knows.
Trent's piece in the encyclopedia gives us some of the dates of the various jacks. I'm glad the screw jacks are so plentiful. I have at least one for every T, and use them all the time.
It's a little easier to read if I copy it in two parts.
Thanks for the hint...sorry was on my way home from work and didn't check forum <g>
Maybe the 3z/5z index and prints are in the same box as the manufacturing process sheets just waiting to be found.
There is a guy who tried to get something going on tools, got to the point of forming a website, then I haven't heard boo since. The website is http://www.fordtoolcollector.org/index.asp
Thanks for the review of the encyclopedia data, Steve. How many of us are still searching for the mythical ford script pliers without the screwdriver blade? My guess is they were never script at that point, as many of the early tools weren't.
I have seen that site, George , but has't been much action in a long time.
Here are some tire pumps, with what I know about them. The 2barrel Bridgeport brand. I've never seen one with any ford markings, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. Next, the single barrel Bridgeport. This one has a ford script on bottom, but most do not. Next in line, the very common brass barrel pump with 2 large ford script on the iron footplate. Some small variations of these, and they were made by the millions. The last one is a hard pump to find. Single large ford script on iron base, steel tube, and notice the height. On the underside is cast "T 1434". The cast iron tube cap has the part number also, and if have seen one with ford script on the top cap, also. NOTE. The early model A pump is the same as this last one, but marked "A1434" in the same places. This was replaced early on with a tin pump with a stamped steel ribbed base, for the rest of model A production.
I would be guessing as to when the pumps were used, but maybe the info is out there somewhere.