Any idea on value of this marine motor/trans?
It came out of a museum and will run?
LOOK it has a trans on the front of the motor!
No Clue but I would love to have that for a conversation piece.
Owner said that the motor/trans was made after WW1 and was made in the North/East.
Any ideas on mfg or has anyone owned one?
Most marine engines are flywheel forward to help lower the center of gravity AND reduce the prop shaft angle through the hull. One exception is Mercruiser (Mercury Marine) inboards that use a conventional, although only 10" dia. flywheel with ring gear.
On this with an open flywheel, don't be surprised if the crankcase is enclosed with the transmission for oil circulation, along with a cooler. Marine bearings/oil get hotter that a car with the bearings being under load full time... there aint no coasting in a boat. Unless that is, if its a sailboat and theres a big ol' bag of wind pushing it LOL...
The other reason for the transmission on the front end is the prop shaft normally turns in the opposite direction from what it would be turning on the back end, even though the transmission has a reverse capability.
So, what's the hand crank doing while the engine is running?
This engine has marine manufacturer written all over it. Someone went to a lot of effort to make castings for just one or a two engines. The water cooled exhaust manifold, the distributor drive and the flame arrestor on the carb all point to someone with marine manufacturing background.
The crankcase appears to mount both the block and the reverse gear. As mounted in a boat the oil would run to the rear. As the boat went forward any oil left under the engine would run aft. This says to me that this engine probably has a pressure oil system of some sort. A picture of the opposite side of the engine would be nice.
I have seen T engines used in crabbing boats on the Chesapeake as late as the 50's but never one with a reverse gear or this configuration.
There appears to be a name plate on the transmission cover. Maybe that could be useful in finding out more about this engine and it's manufacturer.
Will add more next week!
Thanks for all your interest!
It would be interesting to see how they worked a #3 main seal into the cast replacement pan.
Long Island Motor Works in Sayville, NY made marine engines based on Model T blocks in the 1920's. I'll see if I can locate any literature.
I'm betting there was some sort of "Sprag" clutch to allow freewheeling in one direction and lock-up in the other.
Appears to be a FORDMARINE brand conversion. Missing the flywheel surround. Or could be a Roberts conversion.
One from eBay a few years ago.
I venture a guess that it is a St. Lawrence River and Motor Co. conversion.
Does "Joes gears" ring a bell about manufacture?
Thanks for your interest!
Joes Gears type gear boxes and conversions were made by Snow & Petrelli (Later Snow & Nabstead) of New Haven, Connecticut. They made all kinds of conversions, for small and very large engines. Not a lot of documentation info on the early stuff around.
I sent the pictures to Richard Day age 90, a well known restorer and collector of early marine engines. He commented that because there are so many T conversions to marine use out there the engine would probably bring about $ 500. Considering the apparent condition that seems a little low to me. Is the engine available ?