Need length for early tie rod tube

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Need length for early tie rod tube
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 04:22 pm:

I am in the process of retubing my tie rod (spindle connecting rod) and need to know the length of the tube.

My tie rod is the early style (fixed ball) from a DB axle. I'd like to know the length of the tube itself, that being from the threaded end to start of the shoulder on the forked end.

Thanks!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 04:24 pm:

It is adjustable. You must adjust it to achieve 1/4" toe in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 04:41 pm:

Yes, the threaded end is adjustable. Did they make a threaded end tie rod that is non-adjustable?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 04:49 pm:

Rereading your post -- I read "It is" as "Is it". My mistake.

However, your answer doesn't answer my question.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 05:02 pm:

I meant to add to my original post, mine are two-piece spindles with tie rod below the wishbone, assembling a 1911 car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 06:10 pm:

It is 47-53/64" center to center of the bolt holes.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 07:02 pm:

Thank you for the reply, R.V.

The already cut remains of my original tube total 45-1/2". Your dimension is achievable given that length, so perhaps the remains with which I have to work are complete.

That is long enough to have right at full thread engagement on the adjustable end.

Thank you for the dimension.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 07:18 pm:

'Tain't my dimension, it's Ford's, but you are welcome.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 07:58 pm:

Regardless of the nominal spec it must be adjusted to achieve 1/4" toe in. That could be 1/4" + or - RV's spec.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 08:17 pm:

That is true, but my goal is to replicate the original part as close as possible, not just aiming for it being functional. Answering the question of tube length accomplishes both. Simply cutting to accomplish toe-in does not.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter B. Ratledge on Friday, July 04, 2014 - 09:19 pm:

Hi Walter,Both RV and Royce are right.
Come down and look at mine.I am not that far from
you.Email me and I will give you my address.
Pete Ratledge


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter Higgins on Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 12:05 am:

Pete, thanks for reaching out. I've p.m.'ed you with my email address.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 03:53 am:

IF I understand the specifics of your question, and IF the one earlier tie rod I have close at hand is good and not damaged inside the adjustable end (which is stuck on). From the shoulder of the fixed, forked, end, to the end of the threaded end of the adjustable end of the tie rod is three feet eight and three quarters inches (3' 8 3/4").
I do not know what year this one is originally off of, however it is probably a bit later than 1911. I would advise that you take this as one bit of information that may not exactly match what you need to know. There may be a few slightly different variations with both of the forked ends that could change the tube length slightly.
I would recommend using the information from R V Anderson and Royce, figuring in from there. Then see how it compares to mine out of curiosity, and maybe before final cut.
Center-of-pin ball end, to end of tube, on mine is 3 feet 10 3/4 inches, making the ball end fork center-of-pin to shoulder almost exactly two inches.
I hope all this can help a little and confuse not too much.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


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