I am restoring the differential of my Ford T and the housing is not in good condition, the property of the metal washers is very worn, the spider also has a lot of wear, but I could get a new one in Lang's, maybe it's better to repair or find one in better condition.
Has anyone miss this job before?
Eduardo, I rebuilt my differential many years ago. It has some play in it now and I need to repair that.
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Bob Berstadt has good used ones...
Mine was not quite that bad but I made a shim sleeve with a rolled shoulder which took up the play in mine and I re used it.
Hope this helps
Thanks Justin, I've seen pictures of your Model T Tourer 1913 and is lovely and it is painted in my favorite color, dark green, green like English.
Regarding the differential I order a new spider Lang's why mine is very worn in the 3 props as seen in the picture.
Maybe when you set it in place have to fill the hole in the housing so that it is perfectly round and nothing moves.
You mean that you justin?
How ironic Eric live in Barcelona and meet in a forum in the United States, that the world is small, and I sent you an email thanks.
The housing is worn> You need another housing. It might be best to get another spider, although yours is likely OK. Bob Bergstadt or Langs should be able to help you. These parts are fairly common so they shouldn't be too expensive,
Thanks Ted, in fact Lang's soon receive a new spider, because as you can see in the pictures is in bad shape and I think it is better to change it given the cost to repair it
As for the case I have not so clear
The new spider from Lang's may not be enough. It appears to me that the holes in the case are worn out of round and the new spider will still be loose. I think you will need a better case.
Eduardo, I had a bad differential not much different from yours. I contacted Dave Huson in Colorado, USA and he provided me with a very good replacement for a reasonable cost. He may be a resource for you.
I agree with Steve and Wayne,
Having just done this repair, I took measurements of my spider, and found it to be within spec. It was the case that was worn.
I used a piece of 0.003" brass shim paper, cut 3 of the correct width and length, and wrapped it around the 3 spider gears. Then, once I had my shims, I rounded the rear edge as best I could so that the shim paper could not slide out of the casing.
Once I bolted everything down, the spider and shim paper were tight, and I used it like that.
In your case, If you notice gaps around the shim paper after you have bolted the housing together... you will need to either come up with another plan to close those gaps and make a lasting solution, or obtain a new housing...
Email me if you need more info.
I wonder why the case and the outer part of the spider would wear since the spider is just clamped there, no rotation?
Ok, now I see it's the braking and driving forces that goes through the spider. With a little slop there it soon gets worse. Shim stock properly clamped so it can't migrate out cold work, I think, but better parts should be readily available.
Yes its a temporary fix, in my case as well. As soon as I can, I will look at replacing the housing. I have to "think" (dangerous) that it will last a long time, as I recall people saying this is how you take the slop out of the housing. Must work long and well enough to have at least some success.
I would not recommend reusing any of these existing internal parts. There is clearly something severely amiss that caused the wear between the spider's non-moving arms and the clamping feature of the housing. Housing washer races are damaged beyond repair, and I assume these would rapidly damage any new parts installed. As noted, these are relatively inexpensive and easily sourced replacement used parts. The cost,time, and difficulty entailed in properly building this rearend is sufficient that you will not want to do this job more than once.
A replacement differential case with spider is not that expensive.
You may have to wait a little longer for replacement parts but in the long run you will glad you did.
I can understand wanting to get your T back on the road as I thought it took forever to get my 24 Coupe going.
I guess you're right Steve spider still changing housing will some slack and accommodations are also the metal washers that are badly worn, I think all that will repair more expensive than getting a cover in good condition.
Justin when I get the new Spider Lang's see if there is too much slack in the spider seats, I think it will be little but does not look good in the pictures the old spider this square.
I was hoping to save the most possible pieces but you are right guys try to find a new housing although that delay the exit road.
I thank you all for your help and hopefully soon you may see the result.
No problem Eduardo. Get in touch with Bob Bergstadt... He's a good guy and very knowledgeable.
All the best, and keep the updates coming.
I just got the spider Lang's, and Bob's housings.
Now the spider does not move at all but I think the housings are of a model previous to mine.
You think that I can mount this differential, the main features look the same or should I look for other housings.
please tell me that if.................
They should be interchangeable. I think the bolts that hold the halves together may be different.
They are interchangeable. Your new housing may require studs instead of bolts. If so they must be safety wired together.
The differential of the right studs mounted on the left and some long rides through bolts.
Do you know if they sell them?
Eduardo, I am not sure if I understand your last question. Do you mean the differential on the right uses studs but the one on the left uses bolts? These are the differential bolts. http://www.modeltford.com/item/2514C.aspx
Yes, thank you Stephen, that's what I meant.
excuse me but my english is very bad and used the google translator.
thanks for your help
Your new (replacement) spider and carriage are different year than your old ones. They should be mostly interchangeable. Most of the differences are minor and are no problem at all. The change between shorter studs and longer bolts should be only a little confusing, but no serious trouble.
The original, longer, bolts were of course the odd (to you) old American fractional inch sizes bolts. I don't have one close at hand to measure, or have the size handy, to give to you. The main difference is simply that they the bolts go all the way through both carrier halves whereas the shorter studs go only part way through one half. You can probably find a metric size that would work okay, however, it does need to be a close fit through the holes in both housing halves. And you need three complete nut and bolt combinations for the carrier housings. They should be wired for safety so that they cannot work loose and using castle type nuts. Not everyone does this, and opinions here vary about it.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
It is a relief to mount these enclosures but my bad luck does not end here one has come with a crack.
I think it is steel and I can weld but it is an expense that should not have
Welding them up seems to work for other people.
Those parts are easy to find. I'd replace everything. I'm currently replacing my original differential with a Ruckstell. The differential case and spider and gears are all perfect, and will just go on the shelf. They came from a '13, so it still has the studs like yours. You can have it for free if you are willing to pay the postage.
Just wondering which would be cheaper, buying new cases or a buildup weld and machine.
Larry you are very very generous, do you think it is better to replace all welded housing?
If so, would accept his generous offer, how much you think it would cost the shipping to Barcelona, ​​Spain?
Kindly send me a private message. thank you
Eduardo, I would not use the cracked housing. A failure in the rear axle means no foot brake.
Does would not last welding?
Has anyone made a repair of this type?
I do not want to fail and spend more money than necessary