Does anyone have any pictures or drawings of the 2 pedal 2 lever setup used in 1909. Would like to make a mock up of this for display Thank You
Great photos. I have always wondered about the early transmission linkage. I can clearly identify the clutch pedal with apparently two levers? Presumably the other visible pedal is the brake? But where is reverse linkage and how is it connected to the transmission?
Ron the Coilman
Thank you What do the levers look like?
Upon studying it further I see the reverse band linkage, but cannot seem to get it through my head how the reverse lever operates it?
Ron the Coilman
I believe as one pulls the reverse lever, the roller follows the cam forcing the band to tighten. It appears as though the reverse linkage has a "peak" so perhaps one does not need to hold constant pressure ? Never had the pleasure of operating a 2 lever Ford.
I think the roller-cam performs the same function as the teeter-totter on the "modern" hogs head as it is connected to the clutch.
I believe the link in front connects the clutch pedal to the high speed clutch release shaft and has noting to do with reverse. The roller and cam on the cross shaft disengage the clutch instead of the bolt and cam on later T's. I believe the link in back is for reverse. You can see where it attaches to the cross shaft just being the clutch cam. The other end of the link is attached to a lever on the hogshead where the reverse pedal is on later T's. On the two pedal two lever cars I believe one lever is just the hand brake and the other disengages the high speed clutch when pulled halfway back and engages reverse when pulled all the way back. If this is the case then the small lever on the hogshead for reverse would be pulled back to engage the reverse band rather than pushed forward. The clutch and brake pedals are just like later T's.
Here's the factory picture of the hogshead.
I've never driven a two pedal / two lever T either. My understanding is the lever functions exactly the same as the R pedal in later T's. You are obliged to place the brake lever halfway back when reversing.
Thanks Royce !
So, can any forum contributor (or not) here provide us with a layman driving lesson for a 2 pedal ?
That hogshead pic has 3 pedals.
Royce, did you mean for that to be a picture of a two-pedal, two-lever hogshead? Maybe I'm mistaken, but I think I see three pedals (circled in red):
In addition to Royce's pictures at the top of this thread, page 44 of "Model T Ford the Car That Changed the World" has pictures of two-pedal hogsheads.
Oops sorry, wrong picture.....
Here is other photo of Royce's showing the lever:
This is #337 - Milt Roorda's car I think:
This picture is Manfred Rein's car #131 showing the correct authentic original block:
I have driven a 2 pedal T, my Dads #714.
The brake lever is only a brake lever.
Back it sets the brakes, forward it releases the brakes.
The second lever operates like this;
straight up is neutral, forward engages high gear, all the way back is reverse.
the second lever is linked to the "C" pedal and operates in the low/high shifting, much like the the brake lever does on a standard T.
Mystery Solved - Thanks Peter.
Thanks Peter! I hope some day to have the experience of driving one so I can say that I have.
A slightly faster 2 lever Fronty