The Evelotion of Ford automobile Engines 1906 to 2014

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Stewart -Calif. on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 02:58 pm:

What 108 years of Ford Engines looks Like.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Balough on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 03:09 pm:

Don't forget the Model Bb engine


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Balough on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 03:20 pm:

You can see the 1905 Model B running on youtube at 2011-09-09_14-03-24_262.3gp
This was at The Henry Ford before the Old Car Festival in 2011.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 04:27 pm:

Model K, 1906-1908. 406 cu. in., dual ignition:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 04:34 pm:

1904 Model A, 2 cyl., 10 hp:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 05:49 pm:

Sorry Mark, I shouldn't have included pre 1906......

Maybe we'll see a Model A and V-8 motors too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Stewart -Calif. on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 05:55 pm:

Keep the Ford engine pictures coming. 1903 to ....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 05:58 pm:

Rob, You posted the wrong picture. This is a Ford 406 Cu. in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 06:17 pm:

Good one Chuck!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 11:53 pm:

Chuck, it just looks different in color :-)

Does this count?

1904 14 -16 hp air cooled Ford:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 03:03 am:

There was basically no significant evolution between 1908 and 1927 in Ford engines other than the self starter, possibly the most important improvement in the history of internal combustion engines. Even so, Ford was late in adopting it.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 07:01 am:

Here's the 1912 prototype 6 cylinder Ford from the car that was destroyed by Henry as recounted in the book Tin Lizzie by Stern:





A cover story was released to newspapers, an attempt to convince reporters that the only reason the engine was developed was for 19 year old Edsel's speedster, which is not a credible premise given the sophistication and the amount of work necessary to bring something like this to reality from design.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 07:37 am:

There was no relationship between the article posted above (that I posted earlier) and the car Henry Ford destroyed upon his return from Europe. It's well documented that the FMC experimental department built at least six 6-cylinder experimental engines, one of which was probably the motor in Edsel's speedster. Another appears to have been in the six cylinder sedan Henry Ford was reported to have driven between 1910 and 1915 ("Reminiscences", E. Liebold, pages 22, 1123 and 1124):




The car destroyed by HF after returning from Europe:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 07:41 am:

In fact what you have posted supports my statements Rob. I know you don't like it, but it is what it is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 08:37 am:

There is no indication the car HF destroyed was a six cylinder. George Brown ("Reminiscences", THF) was purchasing agent, and was ordered to cancel all orders for the new car (That Henry Ford destroyed). Mr. Brown's transcript clearly states the most expensive component of the new car was the body (cancelled orders with Beaudette). I think most reasonable people would conclude there wasn't a six cylinder engine involved with this incident if the body was the most expensive component. Other recollections also mention the incident, with no mention of a six cylinder engine, only that the body was different with a 12 to 15 inch longer chassis.



Mr. Brown, on canceling orders for the new car:



Unfortunately, in my opinion, this is one of the "legends" that have become confused with "fact" in Ford history (that the car Wills, Sorensen and others built while Henry Ford was in Europe was a six cylinder, therefore additional "proof" that Henry Ford "hated" the six cylinder engine). We do know, from Ernest Liebold's transcript, that Henry Ford had a six cylinder sedan during this period. However, we don't see that "fact' represented in any Ford history that I'm aware of.

Now, back to Ford engines. As long as we've on sixes, how about a few more experimental s, the six cylinder racers:

The 1905 version, with Henry Ford driving. I'm not sure, but it looks like possibly a chain driven timer/distributer on top of the motor?



The 1906 version. Some reports say this was a 6X6 engine, (as were the 05 and 07 versions), while some say 6 1/2 X 6. If it's a 6 1/2 inch bore, then over 1100 cu. inches. At 6 X 6 these racers were over 1000 cu. inches:



And the 1907 racer motor:



And as it sits today, off display at THF:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 02:17 pm:

We don't have any evidence of any other prototype engine from the era. It makes perfect sense that Henry would use the prototype chassis and six cylinder engines to make cars for himself, Liebold and Edsel, which in fact he did. Henry made the decision not to proceed with production. We have the engine in the flesh, the car in the flesh, and the story fits perfectly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob Heyen on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 03:16 pm:

There is no car remaining. Liebold clearly described the car HF destroyed as a touring car with four doors. He did not say the car had a different engine (from the Model T). He did describe the body and a longer chassis. Furthermore, George Brown, FMC purchasing agent, cancelled the orders for components, saying that the most expensive part of the new car was the body.

Do you (or anyone) know when Henry Ford (and family) returned from Europe?

Additionally, Edsel Ford drove a six cylinder speedster for sometime. It was developed at Ford Motor Company (as were at least five other six cyl engines), and that was obviously known and acceptable to Henry Ford. And now, we know even HF had a Ford built "special" sedan that was a six cylinder car during this period (Liebold Reminiscences).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Balough on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 05:56 pm:

let's not forget the X-8 engine that Gene Farkas worked on around 1920. One is on display at The Henry Ford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 06:13 pm:



: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Wednesday, July 16, 2014 - 06:30 pm:

There was a water cooled version also.Bud.


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