OT Chevrolet 490 wheel question

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 03:00 pm:

Ok this is rare for me to ask an OT question but here goes; Does anyone know what year Chevrolet went from ball to roller bearings in the front wheels? Did Chevrolet use Hayes rims with their 30 X 3 1/2 wood wheels? I am trying to figure out if someone mounted Ford wheels on Chev hubs. I haven't but will check the line up of the valve stem hole to lug on rim. The hubs are Chev as the cap is bigger then Ford and both wheels have their caps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 03:09 pm:

My 1960 Chevrolet convertible had ball bearings. I bought Timken bearings to replace them. As best I remember the inner outer race was especially thick to make up for the ball bearing outside diameter. I may still have the ball bearings I removed. My 1965 Chevy station wagon had tapered roller bearings. I don't believe any GM car had anything other than ball bearings thru the 1950 's


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 03:39 pm:

I bought some NOS aftermarket roller bearings off tbay. The box said they fit both Ford and Chevrolet.



The owner of this 1916 Chevy said he used Ford wheels.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Spaziano, Bellflower, CA. on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 04:11 pm:

I think Chevrolet 490's used Jaxon wheels.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 04:25 pm:

I don't know who made the Chebby rims, but I know the distance between clinching edges is wider. Chevrolet about 2 3/8", and Ford 2 1/16". Distance from the center of the stem hole to the center of the nearest lug: Chev 3", Ford 6". I have no clue about the bearings.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 04:41 pm:

Thank you Steve; looks like I have Ford wood wheels mounted on Chev hubs. Wish the outer bearings were the same as Ford but these are slide on roller, not threaded. I have not done any cleaning to see if the inner are roller or ball. Too bad the two 21 inch Ford wheels that I was given at the same time are missing their outer bearings.
Re "490's used Jaxon wheels", that's what I was thinking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Phillips on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 04:50 pm:

There appears to several cross over of parts.
Crown wheel and pinion are interchangeable between some chev 490s and Model T.
I also suspect you can rebuild a 1925 - 27 wheel with Model T spokes from Snyders etc.
Guys that fit chev disc wheels onto Model T speedsters may have a better idea about hub and bearing cross over. I am using 1927 chev spindles and front hubs on my T speedster


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 08:42 pm:

I had been looking for some chevy 490 wood spoke wheel hubs. I came across a chevy front axle that had been made into a trailer. The hubs were wrong though, they had the bolts coming out of the hubs. I thought they might be for wire wheels. It just dawned on me that they are for the disc wheels instead.
Are there any chevy wheel hubs to be found for wood spoke wheels?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Thursday, July 17, 2014 - 09:16 pm:

Herb sent you a PM


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Manuel Voyages, ACT Australia on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 04:05 am:

I have found a Timken listing for Chev 4 front wheel bearings---
1920 front inner 14120 & 14273. Outer 09075/6 & 09194.
1921-22 front inner the same. Outer 09074 & 09194.
1923-32 front inner 909002. Outer 909001.
Dont know if they are balls or rollers.

Manuel in Oz


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 12:22 pm:

Mark,
Not as simple a question as might be assumed.
Hayes No.130 and 140 were used on Chevrolet but not Ford.
Hayes No.100 was used on both Chevrolet and Ford, Brisco Overland and Star too.

Mike,
Chevrolet 490 1922-23 open bodied cars used Hayes No.100 while the closed cars used Hayes No. 120.
100 are clinchers and the 120 straight side


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 12:33 pm:

For roller outer bearings try Model A Ford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 12:39 pm:

Ricks,
The 1916 Chevrolet 490 pictured would have originally had non-demountables like a Model T Ford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 02:49 pm:

Good point, Layden. Greatrace rule was that tires not be over 1/2" larger than original. A minor thing like demountables to make the car more competitive in case of a flat could be ignored. After all, Firestone demountables were available as early as 1909.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Greg Kuhnash Southeastern Ohio on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 03:47 pm:

I have three what I think are Chevrolet rims, two are super nice and one is good, if anybody is interested, they are marked Hayes, since we are talking about Chevy rims. Very resonably priced and can bring them to Hershey. PM me if interested.

Greg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eddy Lee Emerson on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 10:18 pm:

I think that the wheels on my 1916 Monroe may use the same hubs as the Chevy 490. When I replaced the Wheel bearings on the Monroe I used some NOS Chevy inner bearings, But could not ascertain what years they were meant to fit. I found a part number on the outer race and ordered that number from a bearing shop in Oklahoma City, When it came it was marked for a 1955 Chevy
Several years ago I went to Charleston S.C. to pick up a parts car for the Monroe. The person I bought it from had driven a 1916 Chevrolet in the Great Race, and it may have been the the one in the picture that Rick posted. I would be willing to sell the wheels from this parts car if Herb is interested in them. I will be in Steelville, Mo. for a family reunion next month and could bring the wheels that far if Herb lives anyplace close to there, Ed


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 10:27 pm:

Yes, Eddy, I believe they were from SC. Driver was real tall.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 10:51 pm:

They intentionally put the valve stem holes in a different place in a Chevy, so you couldn't interchange them. Other than that, they are the same, I think.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Friday, July 18, 2014 - 11:27 pm:

I am running two 21" chevy split rims on my 24, chevy got it right by moving the stems to the opposite side of the latch as this makes them much easier to get the tubes in place without the valve stems having to be poked inside the rim. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 10:59 am:

Don't Chevy split rims have the one lug open to make it easier to insert the stem into the felloe ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Layden Butler on Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 11:41 am:

Larry and Steve,
The Hayes NO. 130 rim is probably what you are referring to. They are sized 31 x 4 clincher ( wider than T Ford) and have a slit thru one of the lugs holes because the stem hole is so close to that lug. These were used on Chevrolet ( several models), Overland and Star.
There was also a 30 x 3 1/2 version used on 1922 Durant.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 01:52 pm:

Steve, the 21's I have both have the open lug. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Danuser on Saturday, July 19, 2014 - 02:17 pm:

Herb I have a 490 front axle w/1/2 springs attached, also another bare front axle and a hood for a 490 Chevy all for sale


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