E-timer are in production again.
Through TipTop Timers,LLC
Thanks, Mike & Hutch
+1 on the new production. Mike
Thanks to collaboration between Mictel, LLC and TipTop Timers, LLC, we are proud to announce E-Timer production has resumed. The new TipTop Timer E-Timer is the same quality product with the same warranty, now assembled in an Anderson-style timer case so that no Ford script timer core or core charge are required.
This is a limited production run and future availability will depend on demand. Folks on the waiting list will have pre-market priority for the first TipTop Timer E-Timers available and scheduled to begin shipping in early fall.
For more information, please contact “Hutch” at: firstname.lastname@example.org or visit the website at: www.modeltetimer.com
Thanks for all the great support, encouragement and patience.
That is great news.
Awesome! I'll be ordering one.
Now all someone needs to do is make a New Day timer that is of the same quality that they were in the '20s! This is the most popular timer ever made, and there are hundreds of collectors still using the originals with not a worry.
Wow, Mike that the greatest news I've heard for some time!
I've talked to several guys who said they would like to have one or buy a second one so I can now pass on the good news!
You have that right Larry! One of these days maybe somebody will start making them again. With the technology these days I cant understand why.
I'll bet they would outsell some of the repo items that are now being reproduced.
Assuming the new E-Timer sells for the previous retail price of $400 each you can buy more than five TW Timers for the same money and TW Timers is proven to last for 5000 miles each. Check the TW Timer out at www.twcomponents.com
If you contrast the new TW Timer with the original New Day Timer the TW timer wins hands down.
Ron the Coilman
Comparing the E-timer to any other timer based on just price is like my late mother-in-law: she knew the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
Great News from Mike & Hutch.
More great E-Timers are on their way, available in the fall season..... a quality product from quality people. Thanks Mike & Hutch..... the beginning of a beautiful friendship ..... ( the Casablanca romantic quote of sorts )
Personally, I do not appreciate off topic drifts as Mr. Patterson and Larry Smith have attempted, almost sounds similar to a poster who makes digs at the E-Timer because it doesn't use magneto power, and complains about the cost..?????? Sour grapes ???? Thanks RD for your analogy .
T owners will use what they will to keep their T's running, original parts or aftermarket..... Thanks for choices, Amen.
Ron Patterson, That is what makes the E-timer so great I have clocked enough miles with the E-Timer
to have wore out 4 TW timers with NO timer maintenance, No replacing, NO messy cleaning, No deteriorated performance , With No alterations to wiring . I have driven enough miles this year I would have had to replace a TW timer. There have been 3 years I would have wore out Two TW timers.
$400 is a Deal Other timers work well but not without a Lot of Work.
Im not familiar with the e-timer. Can someone give me a brief description of how it works ....
Comparing the E-Timer and the TW timer is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. Price aside, they have different niches and function differently. Since it is a relatively new product, I don't believe it is fair to claim it will wear out anytime soon without evidence to back that up. Just like the E-Timer, it is a nice option for us Model T folks to consider for our engines. More choices the better, I say!
There's lots of reading for you here Donnie. I'm sure with all the other sales advertising that goes on here, nobody will mind an informational link ...
I checked the link. It says it "frees the driver from the BURDEN of continuously advancing the spark". Burden, really? Gee, no need to learn how to adjust coil points either. Sounds like another product for those who don't really want a vintage car or perhaps it's for those who don't think the original Ford system can work well. My engine runs perfect and I mean perfect with the stock system. It took me a while to get it there but I can take pride in running a real Model T ignition and having rebuilt and tuned it myself. Cost a lot less than $400.00 too.
I base my comparison on Ron's statement that the TW timers will last for 5000 miles. I do not claim they well wear out any time soon.
The TW timer is mechanical so will require some maintenance.
I have looked at them they look like a good product.
I have 6,550 miles on two cars running E-Timers This Year.
Now if only I could get the ECCT to go with an e-timer, and I would be all set.
Problem with the TW timer is that you have to buy a complete new timer every time. It does not appear as though you can just purchase a replacement brush.
Not true. Check with the manufacturer.
Ron the Coilman
I see it the same way, but you had better watch your step. You will get a reputation (Like me) and suffer the wrath of Bob Jablonski.
I'm not sure why you would need both. One precludes the need for the other.
Good Hal. That's the reputation I want. If enough of us speak up, it might save a few cars.
The only maintenance the TW timer really needs is to pop off the cover, blow it out and maybe replace the brush once a year. With the brush installation modification, replacing the brush is pretty easy too. This is basically an updated New Day timer for those folks wanting to install something a little easier to service and less touchy than the stock timer. I know guys who swear by ANCO timers and other models. Just a matter of preference in my book. Like I said, I like choices. I don't trash other folks for their choices. Whatever you need to do to get your car running great is up to you.
I am running the TW timer and Cameron Whitaker's electronic coils in my car. They run well, and if I get the itch to go the traditional route, all I have to do is pop the electronic coils out of my coil box, drop in the old ones, then hook the magneto lead back up. Done deal. It works well for me. Whatever works well for someone else is the best way for them to go.
Hal: Sticks & stones ...... get over it already.
The proof is in the E-Timer & how it performs.
I've tried it, Bob. I could tell little to no difference in performance without some careful measurements. Certainly no difference I could perceive from the driver's seat. The "Problems" with the original system were WAY over blown when this thing came out. I don't suffer from the majority of the problems that were cited and quite frankly, I ENJOY adjusting the spark. It's part of the experience of driving an antique car. And, yes I know it can be programmed to work with manual advance too.
My problem with you is that if someone doesn't think the E-Timer is the greatest thing since sliced bread then they all of a sudden become a naysayer and their opinion doesn't count. No one can even defend the original system (Against unfounded and overblown deficiencies) without you trying to discredit them. No doubt, the E-Timer will run a Model T and time will tell, but it may run one for a long time. But the original system is not near as bad as some would have the unknowing believe.
You quit riding to the rescue every time this subject comes up like some personal body guard and I'll "Get over it".
There's nothing wrong with someone trying a new product. I've heard great things about the e timer. I have never tried it as I'm very happy with my TW Timer. So far it has worked great for me. I don't see me switching out anytime soon. That said I thought at one time the Anderson was the best thing sence sliced bread before I tried the TW.
The TW will be my next one as well, Will. I'm running Andersons on both T's right now, but I'm gonna give the TW a try when one of them wears out.
"You quit riding to the rescue every time this subject comes up like some personal body guard and I'll "Get over it"."
REALLY Hal ???? Did you forget to breathe during your rant ?? THE TOPIC IS ABOUT the E-Timer. What do you expect as postings to the subject ?
I know you didn't ask me Bob but, I can say that I expected the same overly emotional, disturbingly obsessive rants that usually appear.
In my opinion, the E-timer is a very clever device and fills a definite niche in the market. I don't own one now but maybe will some day. I wish success upon Mike Kosser the inventor and Tip Top TImers the manufacturer. Good for you guys.
At the same time, I completely understand and appreciate the opinions of Hal Davis, Dave Wells and others who prefer a mechanical timer for any number of valid reasons. I run an Anderson on my '26 Touring and the TW on my '24 Speedster. Both work just fine and if I had to buy another timer tomorrow it would be the TW.
Bob, the E-Timer is a good enough product to stand on its own merits even if alternative viewpoints are presented. Perhaps we can turn off the caps lock and let this thread develop on its own?
You can get just a replacement brush for the TW Timer, a friend just bought one. It was only $32 plus shipping.
He said he was real surprised at how easy the original brush broke though.
A maniacal timer needs four good coils and a working magneto. What is the cost of coil maintenance? How much does it cost to replace a bad magneto?
If you have a bad magneto, the $400 E-timer looks a bargain. Even some E-timer detractors have recommended a disturbutor until the engine is torn down for other reasons, instead of a teardown just for the magneto.
I'm ok with my modren disturbutor on my Atwater Kent front plate.
Chris: I agree, the E-Timer stands on it's own merits, and has proven itself in many thousands of miles of Beta testing..... and in it's final release form.
The 'caps' were purposely used to stress the subject matter of the thread, to deter OT comments...... yeah, a lot of good came out of that ?
..... Perhaps there will be future threads on TW Timers and other timers that forum participants will rally/condemn with the same gusto they have towards the E-Timer.
I wish more E-Timer owners would post, good or bad experiences.... I commend Dean Yoder for his confidence in trying the E-Timer and driving many thousands of miles without any reported troubles.
As the reported "wrath of Bob Jablonski" is concerned, I will always stick to the truth and defend that truth. Ethics & morals .
...'caps' were purposely used to stress the subject matter of the thread, to deter OT comments...
Bob, I only follow a few forums but am confident that thread drift and OT comments are pretty much universal. I would suggest your understandable desire to "defend the truth" is shared by many more members than share your particular truth.
OK Bob here's my spit,
I've quit carrying spare coils and another back up timer and brush. Always thinking how easy it is to simply change out the E and go back to my Anderson if something should go bad.
After several tours and a few thousand miles on the Etimer I guess you'd say I'm pretty confident on it's dependability. We've been in rain and nearly drown, on rough washboard roads that shook the H*** out of the body and long high speed runs in super hot weather.
The Etimer performs better than flawless and I now even retard my spark lever at times in parking lots just to get that single putt putt at very slow revs without stalling.
Maybe sometime next year I'll pop it off just to check the wire connections and see if any dust or oil is getting inside. Well maybe not, but I do feel a little guilty.
One thing that I think is overlooked when considering its performance is how nearly impossible it is to stall on a take off. I guess this could be the way I have my engine and OF carb set up but it was one of the "seat of the pants" things that I noticed right away.
I've always found it interesting how the E gets so many guys posting negatives but when another new type of timer or brush set up shows up nobody seems to care?
Now for my Rant, I don't like to see Dist's on the T's. When your showing and explaining to lookers how the Model T's work, you certainly can't give them a good impression of the coils, magneto and operation of the spark lever.
In my humble opinion adding a lot of modern none period "Stuff" to your Model T is no longer "REALLY" driving a Model T, It lacks the romance. It's just like driving a Shay Model A is not really driving a Model A. I guess it comes down to whether your driving your car to exactly relive what the original owners experienced behind the wheel or your driving your car as a facsimile of a original Model T.
It is sort of like a cry baby doll at a car show. I don't restore Model T's to demonstrate my love for semiconductors. I don't go to car shows often, but when I do, I don't go there to see cry baby dolls.
I'm going to say one thing, then I'm gonna try to refrain from commenting any more on this thread.
There is a distinct difference between stating the positives about the original system and posting negatives about the E-Timer. Some can't seem to differentiate among the two. The sales pitch of the E-Timer made it sound like the original system was WAY more troublesome than it really is. When I and others tried to defend the original system, many on here categorized that as bashing the E-Timer, when that is just not the case.
I had written a nice long response to you answering what I'm sure were meant to be rhetorical questions. However, I deleted it before posting. It's just not worth it. You just continue being the Bob that I have grown to know and......well......know.
The TW timer is a very reliable component. It will run on MAG, the E timer won't. So the E Timer is less than half as reliable, since it depends upon a battery and charging system.
Any ordinary Model T timer is more reliable than the E Timer since it needs no charging system.
Royce, what's the MTBF of the Ford magneto system?
Take some Imodium Royce ... looks like a case of the trots are settling in again.
For what it's worth, as someone who knows next to nothing about timers, this thread drift has been very informative!
I respect the passionate views of some of you about the timers you use, and the "back and forth" has taught me a lot. Things I'll keep in mind the next time I need a timer.
Thank you. . . .now back to the bashing!
I stand corrected. It looks like you can buy parts for the TW timer. They just are not listed on the website.
Thank you to Ron Patterson for the information.
i respect Ron's, Hal's and Royce's opinions. The etimer might be the best thing since sliced bread, a water pump, or 10-30 oil but why spend $400 when you can spend less than $100 for something that works OK for a hobby vehicle.
I would rather spend the money on something to make the T safe
While we are at it -- can we discuss which front tire -left or right- on a T is most important when i park my new to me Hyundai XG 350 at the airport when i am going to Mexico for week and if it is the same tire when I go to Callifunny?
Thank you for your kind and unbiased inputs!
Which timer is better is totally beside the point. Putting electronic ignition in a model t ford is just silly if we want future T hobbyists to appreciate the car for what it was.
Kind of thinking maybe we should endeavor to preserve the original technology as best we can and not replace it every chance available.
If the goal is to create a really dependable modern version of the model t ford, then I stand corrected.
The E Timer would have been an awesome invention back in 1922.
Do not stop carrying spare Coils! They Do go Intermittent with the E-timer When Hot just like the do on Mechanical timers. I had one go that way on my Boone NC trip. Tested perfectly at home on HCCT & strobe. Good coil for one of my tractor conversions? Well maybe not if I am using it to Plow the back 40.
Thanks for the suggestion, Dean. The good thing about using an ETimer is that if your on a tour with other T's is that someone is sure to carry the spare that you need. Not so with a T running a distributor.
Just to correct some misleading information about the TW Timer previously posted here.
The replacement brush, a unique part number, for the TW Timer, if purchased from the timer manufacturer TW Components is $10.
Ron the Coilman
I have never understood what it is about the E-timer that causes so many people to lash out about it. Let other folks do whatever the deuce they want with their T's.
I mean heck, there's not this much outrage and discord when someone is Z-ing a frame for a speedster and that's a WAY harder mod to get back to original than an E-timer.
Ron, you are correct, as that is what my friend paid.
My apology to TW Timers.
My main point that, "you can get just a replacement brush for the TW Timer was correct.
I just called my friend for clarification and it was $10 for 2 brushes, plus $2 shipping.
So, it was only $22 with shipping.
That original timer broke when installing it again, due to not following the procedure provided with the timer kit.
He had no problem installing the new brush, by holding the brush down with a thin feeler gauge and moving the timer cover in position before removing the feeler gauge.
OK, here's another post from a "satisfied" customer. I don't keep track of how many miles I drive, so I can't say that I've used it for X number of miles. I have had it in place for over two years and it was on the T when I drove from Nebraska to California and back 2 years ago. I have done several week long tours and all of my local drives and tours. No problems encountered from the etimer. I have had other problems, but none from the etimer.
All negative posters fail to understand that this thread isn't about the good and bad. It simply states the OP is happy they are in production again. That could/should have been the only post to this thread. If anyone is to impart experience as to their reliability it's Mr Yoder.
Seth, I think people get upset because things like disc brakes and e timers take original vintage cars to such a modern level that they lose what made them desirable classics in the first place and yet the owners still claim they represent the Model T. The Model T was made by Ford and Ford did not put these things on the T. At some point, you have to say the car is no longer a Model T. Speedsters are a different world. I have seen more discarded frames and engines than I have seen complete cars. If someone wants to turn that junk into a speedster and use their creative talent to soup it up with vintage or modern speed parts as many did back in the day, well, I'd rather see that than the frame rotting in a field. At least they are not trying to pass it off as an original Model T.
We (the collective we as we no longer own a T) no longer drive on roadways as they were 100 years ago. Good brakes, lighting and reliability are a must. If you own a trailer queen, pass on this thread. Otherwise go oil your timers!
Dave Wells with your usual negative thinking Ford never could have added a started or generator or many other things to the T in 1919.
What is wrong with stating at a show, "this is my 19XX Ford model T. It came from the factory with xxxx. These xxxxx items have been updated from factory to accommodate safe use on today's roadways".
The Coronado historical society has the last remaining original Hotel Del Coronado 1923 model T C-cab laundry trucks that collected and delivered laundry thru out the town years ago. It has been restored and is sometimes driven in parades and to events by volunteers that often don't know why there are three pedals on the floor and none of them work the gas, much less that the spark timing needs to be manually adjusted.
This is a perfect application for an E timer.
It will help protect the engine and make operating the truck easier and more enjoyable for inexperienced drivers.
Looking at another forum thread.... WOW, credit to the E-Timer for exact spark timing !!
" By Seth from NC on Thursday, July 31, 2014 - 09:12 pm:
The Lizard head is horrendously specific about the exact spark advance that it receives. You either run an e-timer or you get a different head.