Surgery!

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, July 28, 2014 - 09:39 pm:

I pulled the engine out of my 26 touring today. The next thing is to pull it apart. Then to the machine shop for some work. I plan to get it sleeved to standard. It is 60 over and the pistons are so loose I can rock them back and forth by hand.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Shirley on Monday, July 28, 2014 - 10:24 pm:

Unless you have a scored cylinder .020 is a big cut. I'm betting they will clean up just fine at .080 over. You will save the price of the sleeves and have one less thing to be concerned with. You can always sleeve it later. Just my 2 cents worth.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, July 28, 2014 - 10:48 pm:

I'm glad it's not surgery on you, Norm.

I had an engine that was 80 over. It had cracks from the valves to the cyls, and head gaskets failed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Coiro on Monday, July 28, 2014 - 10:53 pm:

Holy Toledo, when I see the word, "surgery" (with an exclamation point, no less), my heart jumps into my mouth.
Glad to hear you were only talking metalwork.
Don't scare me like that, man!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, July 29, 2014 - 09:25 pm:

I took the engine apart today. All that is left to remove is the magneto coil and the crankshaft. I took the pistons out and #3 is so loose I can put a 15 thousandth feeler gauge between the piston and the cylinder. The are all loose. My fault. Should have done this before. I have had it apart several times and knew the pistons were loose, but am a cheapskate. I have 3 T's and like the way this one looks, but not the way it sounds. Runs like a clock. Clock,clock,clock,clock,clock.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 10:10 am:

Yesterday, I got the block and rods back from Antique Engine Bearing service and I have all the parts to start sewing it up.

So far this is what I have done to the engine. bored and sleeved to standard, new valves, timing gears and generator gear. New Stipe 280 camshaft, Scat balanced crankshaft. New intake and exhaust manifolds. I have all the gaskets and other parts and hope to have it running before the month is over. I also installed a new low shaft, cam, and notch. Also brazed up hole in low pedal re-drilled, and got new link between low pedal and clutch lever.

When it's done I am hoping it will purr like an asthmatic cat. Before it ran like a clock. CLOCK, CLOCK CLOCK and lack of power.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 10:13 am:

Good project, Norm. Has they flywheel/tranny been balanced, too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 10:47 am:

I am running an engine (27) that wouldn't even clean up at .080. I had no choice but to sleeve it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 10:51 am:

Isn't "cheapskate" and Scat balanced crank an oxymoron :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 11:17 am:

Gary, Was a cheapskate. Now a spendthrift!
Ricks. The transmission is smooth. I will check it out when I bolt it to the crankshaft and might rebuild and balance it. I don't plan to do anything yet to the transmission, other than what I did to the low pedal, but if it runs untrue, I will rebuild it and balance it. To be determined in a few days.

This car is not a speedster, but it is a touring and I plan to use on tours, parades etc. I live in the mountains out of San Diego, so want hill climbing power, not necessarily fast top speed. I replaced the crankshaft because mine was 50 thousandths under. Might be good for a show car which is not driven much, but I want dependability.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, September 13, 2014 - 11:18 am:

Gary, I sas a cheapskate. Now a spendthrift!
Ricks. The transmission is smooth. I will check it out when I bolt it to the crankshaft and might rebuild and balance it. I don't plan to do anything yet to the transmission, other than what I did to the low pedal, but if it runs untrue, I will rebuild it and balance it. To be determined in a few days.

This car is not a speedster, but it is a touring and I plan to use on tours, parades etc. I live in the mountains out of San Diego, so want hill climbing power, not necessarily fast top speed. I replaced the crankshaft because mine was 50 thousandths under. Might be good for a show car which is not driven much, but I want dependability.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 08:57 pm:

I finally got the T all stiched up and started it today. It took pulling and using the starter at the same time to get the engine to turn, (I have a gravel road). The wheels just slipped, but finally after about 500' it started. I ran it for about 10 minutes. Actually drove it home the 500' before running for 10 minutes. Then torqued the head and manifold again. Then I started it with the starter. It runs smoothly. Has a slight manifold leak. New intake and exhaust with rings and round copper seals. The port is a bit eroded on #1. Maybe after running it and continue to torque, it will stop leaking. The leak is more noticeable with the spark retarded. There is some black around the area, so I am sure it is a leak.

Anyway, it is very smooth and I can hardly wait to get it on the road. I will take it easy during the breakin.

Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P Noonan on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 09:28 pm:

Great job Norm, hope this new engine gives you many more pleasurable miles for years to come. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 09:10 pm:

After I got home Saturday, I torqued the head and manifold hot. This morning, I torqued the manifold again cold. The leak has stopped and the copper rings are compressed as I can see by looking between the head and the manifold. It is interesting that the exhaust manifold is cast iron and the intake manifold is aluminum, so the iron should be torqued hot and the aluminum cold! I did it both hot and cold and found that it would tighten up both hot and cold! Anyway, the leak is fixed and I drove it about a mile this morning, then after it cooled I drained the radiator and filled with antifreeze distilled water mix and drove it about 3 miles. It sounds very quiet and the knock is gone. It idles very smoothly.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Bishop, San Diego on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 09:24 pm:

Norm,
If it runs half as well as you made mine run, it'll be very enjoyable! Putting in the 280 cam really helped too. Wish you would have let me help do something.
Thank you for what you did for me. Enjoy your "new" T!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kirby Pray on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 11:05 pm:

That's great Norm!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 06:39 pm:

Today I drove it 40 miles and it runs very well. At first, I was disappointed in the power pulling hills. But I have driven it a few miles every day since I rebuilt it and it seems to gain power every time I drive it. It idles so smoothly, that I actually set the idle slower than it was before working on the engine. Today it pulled my test hill in high gear. when I am alone in a T that is running well, I can pull that hill in high. The first day I took it in Ruckstell and thought I was going to go down into low, but today I went all the way up in high! Anyway, It sounds good and it starts right up. Before the rebuild I used to have to choke it quite a bit even when I drove about 2 miles to the gas station and filled up I would have to choke to get it started. Now I can even start on mag with just a bump of the starter. Crank starts very easily too. Anyway, I am very satisfied with the way it runs so far.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 01:45 pm:

It's been a little over a month since I got the engine running again and ever since it has had a bad vibration when I am going uphill in Ruckstell. The vibration seemed to be more noticeable at certain engine speeds. Yesterday I was under the car working on the brake and I noticed the muffler hanging at a strange angle! The exhaust packing nut was just a little loose and I could move it back and forth. So anyway, it took 6 weeks, but I finally found the cause of the vibration. Whew!
Norm


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