KRW decal

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: KRW decal
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 07:18 pm:

Can someone who isn't graphically challenged change the color on the green decal to match the other?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 07:38 pm:

I also noticed that the "made by" is curved and has a dot on each end. Could someone fix that?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 08:30 pm:

Assuming the smaller box contains a totally correct decal then there are a lot of things that don't match like the font used for most of the lettering is a more modern font and not squared off on the ends of each graphical straight line end. The "MADE IN U.S.A." is too tall and is not parallel to the lower elliptical edge of the decal. The ends of the 2 areas your are trying to recolor are not supposed to be vertical straight line segments but rather appear to be curved and asymptotic to the main elliptically shaped edge. Do you have a really good full size decal that one could copy from since it might be just easier to start over? The graphic isn't that big.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 08:49 pm:

John, thanks for input. I don't have a decal handy. Actually, this is not for me, but I have been asked by a friend for some help. If anyone has a good picture of a proper decal, it might come in handy.

Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Sunday, August 03, 2014 - 08:57 pm:

An actual size decal or close up picture with a accurate ruler also in the picture and parallel to the bottom is a good way to start. Color shades are the hardest to get exactly correct but obviously you are not asking for exact match as you are looking for something way closer than the totally wrong color :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 09:25 am:

I bought some of those on ebay a couple of months ago. I don't remember who the seller was, but I might have that info if someone wants it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 12:31 pm:

I can stand to be corrected on this, but I think the green decals are correct also. I think they were used later (maybe after or during WW2)??. The red ones are correct for Ts and A vintage. I can not give a reference for the green ones but something in my old worn out brain says I have seen them before. (as in years ago before).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Kelsey on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 01:20 pm:

Tom:

My wife could easily do that for you on photoshop. Just give me the green light if he want her to do it.

Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BRENT MIZE on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 05:14 pm:

Hello all,
The actual size is 1.75" x 1.125"
I would be most grateful to anyone who would be able to supply me with a few for future restorations of the KR Wilson HCCT.
The one decal shown above, with the orange/red background, was a decal purchased on ebay. However, they completely fell apart in the water and were not usable. The one shown was attached with a spray adhesive. And, it was the last one that I had. Here is the tester with the decal attached.
It worked out ok, but not really what I was after.
Here is the tag before restoration of the HCCT.


And here is the HCCT with the new decal attached.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 07:26 pm:

I am just out of the hospital with kidney surgery (pyeloplasty) and am essentially flat on my back for a while, so I thought I'd try my hand at redoing the decal. Here is my attempt. It appears from my original decal on my HCCT that the "MADE BY" at the top is straight. How are the colors?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BRENT MIZE on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 08:27 pm:

Tom,
It looks great to me!
The colors look good.
I hope you are doing well after surgery.
Take care,
Brent


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Monday, August 04, 2014 - 08:39 pm:

OK, I'll make a sheet at 1.75 X 1.125

Thanks for the offer to help Jim.

Brent, please PM me with your address.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Richard Bennett on Tuesday, August 05, 2014 - 05:32 am:

John, you had me reaching for my dictionary with 'asymptotic'. I understand what you are saying now. However, the dictionary says "a straight line that continually approaches a given curve but does not meet it". Now I am totally confused! [ not that hard these days] If such a line is contained within an elipse, how can it not meet the curve? If it is outside the elipse, it can approach the curve and then depart, getting further away! Now you know why I failed Maths!!!

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Wednesday, August 06, 2014 - 09:21 am:

I confess that probably the word asymptotic is not correct but there are not a lot of terms that deal with an ellipse and most geometric terms deal with circles and lines. Probably a better choice would have been tangent to the inside edge of the ellipse. You correctly identified the part that I was trying to explain was not as per the sample shown. It would appear that they used a segment of a circle to wrap the ends of the upper and lower portions of the label and that circle segment was then tangent to the horizontal line on one end of that line and tangent to the ellipse boundary on the other end. That perhaps is a better wording of what I was trying to say. In AutoCad that would be easy to accomplish since there is a way of drawing a circle with a TTR option which allows one to specify a circle tangent to both a line and an ellipse and then at a specific radius. The circle can then be trimmed to remove the part that is not wanted by specifying the trim points as being at the intersections of the circle and the ellipse and the circle and the line. AutoCad is old but it has some really powerful commands buried in it if you can figure them out. When it comes to actually drawing things and manipulating text it is way more powerful than Photoshop but Photoshop can do way more with colors including masking and blending. One can spend hours fooling with tiny labels and meter face artworks but near perfection is possible with enough effort.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 04:46 am:

Brent, they're on their way there!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 09:28 am:

One item that Tom originally mentioned but got missed later in the thread is that the "made by" words at the top should have a dot on each end and the text should be curved to match the contour of the logo. I tried doing this in my Corel Paintshop Pro software - adding the dots was easy, but I couldn't figure out a way to curve the text, does anyone else know of a way to do it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 12:18 pm:

Mark. as I mentioned above, the "MADE BY" on my original KRW HCCT appears straight, with no dots, so I made the new ones that way. You can curve text with PAINT.NET, which is what I used. The lower "MADE IN U.S.A." was done that way, although on careful examination, I got the radius off a little.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 12:44 pm:

Oops, my mistake, thanks Tom.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 03:58 pm:

Here's a comparison of an original & a repro decal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 06:01 pm:

Here is a picture of an original decal on a KRW HCCT. It is not like Steve's, nor is it like the repro or the one Brent posted. Notice that the word "EQUIPMENT" is misspelled.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Thursday, August 07, 2014 - 07:56 pm:

Hope you are feeling better, Tom.

Interesting decal being misspelled - I wonder how many of those actually went out ?

The original one pictured above came from inside a vintage sewing box (actually a display platform) that belonged to the late Otis Clinton that he took around to swap meets showing off NOS & authentic machined parts that he used to manufacture in the 50's, 60's & 70's. He had collected every KRW tool made for the Model T. Steve Coniff outbid me on the package deal when Otis decided to sell it off quite a few years ago.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Friday, August 08, 2014 - 06:55 pm:

I would sure like it if folks would take some good pictures of their KRW stickers to compare. I am very curious to see how many different variations there are.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 01:34 pm:

Nobody has a KRW sticker? Brent, could you post a better picture of yours, please?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Carnegie on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 07:56 pm:

Anyone?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By BRENT MIZE on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 06:58 am:

Tom,
I no longer have the tester. It was a customers tester.
I received the decals in the mail yesterday. Thank you, they look great!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 02:35 am:

The green and gold logo looks like my artwork (check earlier thread)
As you can see below, "MADE BY" on the original was straight with no dots.
There are quiet a few differences between the one that I drew and the original. Please forgive me for doing such a un-acceptable job..... I wasn't trying for perfection. I was just goofing off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Mullis on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 02:54 am:

see
http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/386104.html


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