Should there be a ton of brass on the pan?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:13 pm:

Hey all, after a good cleaning I see there is a ton of brass on my oil pan. Was this used at the factory as a sealant around rivets and whatnot or would it have been added later to deal with leaks?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Thomas Elliott on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:19 pm:

Tim: You could have a problem with the triple gears wearing. The brass could be from there.Is the transmission noisy?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Barrett on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:31 pm:

Normal. Ford brazed the pans to seal them up. not to worry.
Erik


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Anthonie Boer on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:33 pm:

Tim , this is how they did it in the factory .no problem .
Toon


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:35 pm:

He is asking about the outside. Yes there is typically a bunch of brass on the out side. They were not to tidy about it's application when doing the pans.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 12:41 pm:


You can see some of it here. Yes, quite normal.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 02:24 pm:

Yes its normal, should look like they slopped it on with a mop. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 03:13 pm:

Tim this is a good example of how building T's was done at the factory.

We have a tendency to restore our T's better than what Ford built them.

Ford wasn't detail oriented to the point we are today. His T's were reliable and built for the times but he also was interested in building for 'the masses'.

Most every engine pan you will see brass slopped on as yours in one slop or another!

Most all T's as they came off the line were good 10 footers. (Looks really good from 10Ft)!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 03:44 pm:

Here is a page from the book " Ford Methods and the Ford Shops".
Just one page of the 62 operations required to produce the crank case. The chapter is titled " Crank - Box Press Work and Annealing Operations."

Regards, John Page, Australia


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 03:52 pm:



Another picture from Ford Shops. Slopping on that bronze! Stop those oil leaks. Sort of. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 03:55 pm:

Neat picture Dan! I always wondered how Ford did it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 04:22 pm:

Motorcycle frames were built that way too. Ralph Cherry was restoring a De Deon Bouton Dose Dos for Vic Tanny and when he removed the paint from the frame, there was the furnace brazing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 05:18 pm:

Worst brazing I've ever seen and I'm pretty crappy at it myself. After 3 T's and thoroughly cleaning 3 engines I realised the bird droppings or stalagmite look was normal. I feel sorry for those poor buggers on the line back then. The cash was OK but it must have been killing work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By charley shaver on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 05:46 pm:

they saved all the nock out from the rad fins to use as brazing for top sockets .they just heated them red hot and poured them in . charley


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Eckensviller on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 05:52 pm:

"Slopped it on with a mop" pretty well describes what I'm looking at. Thanks guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 07:29 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Saturday, August 09, 2014 - 08:40 pm:

Considering how many they were running through they didn't have time to be neat. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 10:38 am:

Don't grind it down either! A lot of over restored cars have done that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale Peterson on Sunday, August 10, 2014 - 10:05 pm:

When I was restoring my first T, a 15 touring, I was sure some amateur had done a cobble job replacing the arms on the pan, learned later that is just how it was done. Makes it a lot easier for the likes of me to repair some of these parts!


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