Some TT ?'s

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Some TT ?'s
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tyler searle on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 06:26 am:

I'm new to TT's and have a few questions for you old, seasoned veterans.
The linkage is not hooked up to the rux. rearend, is there a way to shift it when the truck is stationary? Is high range when the rear shifting tower is in the forward position?

How can I tell what year cab I have? It's all metal, Ford factory made.

What floor board will fit? It had some home-made ones in it which do not fit at all.

Does anyone still make the high speed worm gears for these?
All for now but more to come. Thanks in advance.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 07:59 am:

This may answer one of those questions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justin Heim on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 08:15 am:

I just received an email from Mike Hartman last week. He is currently out of stock of TT high speed sets. He is considering another run of them this winter and encourages anyone who is interested to call and get on his list. The current price is $1840.00 + shipping.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 11:10 am:

If it's a Ruckstell, standing at the rear of the TT, pulling the shifting lever back puts it in Ford, pushing it forward puts it Ruckstell. You may need a short cheater to turn it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff V on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 11:36 am:

Well, I'm sure there other subtle differences, but right off the bat I would look at the instrument panel cutout on the dash. That would narrow your cab down to 26/27 or 25.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 12:26 pm:

Tyler, If you post a picture, in a short time you'll know more about your TT than you ever thought possible! This forum is amazing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 12:35 pm:

Along with the picture you should post the engine serial number. Obviously it may not be the original engine, but it could provide some helpful information as to year model.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tyler searle on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 06:52 pm:

Pictures will be forthcoming as soon as my wife or daughter has time.

At $1840.00 that will put me out of the customer base. The original $620.00 I would have done. Guess I'll watch for a used set. Thanks Mr. Jelf and Mr Heim.

Thanks for answering the shifting question Mark, that's the way I thought it worked.
The instrument panel is like the 23-25's, the engine is a 26-27. I'll work on getting the pictures posted.
Thanks guys.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tyler searle on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 07:31 pm:

TT Pictures


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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 07:37 pm:

The closed cab says 1925-27. Very nice looking truck!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 07:54 pm:

You have a factory one ton closed cab truck with a factory box. Excellent example!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Gumbinger, Kenosha, WI on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 08:31 pm:

Hi Tyler - You have a nice looking TT there.

The pictures show that it has the wide brake and clutch pedals, and only the '26 and '27's had those, so it's not a '25. Also, the '27's had the oval ignition / ampmeter panel, so it has to be a '26.

Beginning in December, I think it was the 12th, of 1925, they started stamping the engine number on top of the frame. It would be on the right side just under where the passengers feet go. It will be under the rearmost floorboard if it's there. It may be very hard to see and you may need a wire brush to clean the surface to find it. If this number matches the engine number, then the engine is the original one to that truck, otherwise the engine was replaced at some time.

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 08:51 pm:

The clutch and brake pedals are typical of 26-27 cars and trucks, but the ignition switch and ammeter on your dash indicates its pre 26. It would be more likely that the engine and trans were swapped out at some time, unless the engine number matches the frame number, assuming there is one. Of course strange irregularities are found in T's and TT's and I guess it might be possible for a late 25 TT to have a 26-27 type transmission. Ford called the type box that you have, an Express body.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andy Loso St Joseph, MN on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 09:46 pm:

Tyler,

The ruckstell should not shift when it is stationary, if it does you have a neutral in it and that needs to be fixed. Also, Ruckstell doesn't have a high, it has an underdrive and direct, whish is basically standard Ford gearing/speed; with a TT means slow and slower when the underdrive.

Also a shot of the back of the cab would help date it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Monday, August 11, 2014 - 10:33 pm:

Andy is correct. If you want more speed, even if you have the low geared TT ratio, buy a Warford or any auxillary trans with an overdrive gear. They're a lot cheaper than the high speed gear set, unless you happen upon a used set, cheap, plus you won't have to tear your rear axle apart to install. You will have to shorten the drive shaft and rear radius rods, though.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Leonhardt on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 12:05 am:

Tyler,

Ideally, IMHO, the best route to go is with a rear axle mounted auxiliary transmission when coupled to the high speed bronze worm gear. In my case, I have a Ruckstell Axle w/ high speed gears and a Twin Hi Lo rear axle mounted auxiliary transmission. The Twin Hi Lo (under,direct,& over)is shifted on "the fly" and affords me with a rear axle ratio of 3 to 1 when its in overdrive. Note -- a strong engine is paramount with the weight of the TT when operating in overdrive.

Unlike auxiliary transmissions that mount to the Ford transmission and increases the drive shaft speed, the Twin Hi Lo rear mounted transmission does not experience drive line vibration. Check out the MTFCA forum thread on vibration issues associated with TT drive line.

Good luck


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Thode Chehalis Washington on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 12:12 am:

My Ruckstell's in my roadster and my TT axle seems to shift fine when the axle in not turning. I do it all the time on the car and it has no neutral.

My TT axle has the newer style shifter and the car has the old springless style.

I don't see why you could not just reach under and shift the axle when needed with the vehicle not moving.

Jim


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tyler searle on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 05:55 am:

Thanks for all the help so far everyone.

I bought this truck a few weeks back at an auction, was helping to get the vehicles running before the sale so I had plenty of time to assess the truck before I purchased it. The engine is very tired and noisy, we took the rods up and it still sounds scary. Bought another engine at the same sale for not much money and turns out it runs great, just not set up to run on mag {no field coil}. That will be fixed this winter.
Also picked up what I believe is a Warford trany , I'll post some pictures of it later today. Doesn't say Warford on it but a few knowledgeable people say that that is what it is. My plan was to install high speed gears along with the Warford. What would I be looking at as far as a reasonable cruising speed with just installing the Warford in my current set-up?
Thanks again for all the help and will get back on later tonight.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Andy Loso St Joseph, MN on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 06:28 am:

Post a photo of the transmission, we maybe able to identify it. There is a woodward transmission that looks similar to a warford, but the shift tower is a dead give away it isn't.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Schreiber- Santa Isabel Ecuador on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 08:11 am:

Beautiful TT express!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 08:46 am:

Tyler, I don't know what you paid for the truck and extra engine, but if money is no object, high speed gears in a standard or Ruxtell; along with a Twin Hi-Lo; and a Warford or Muncie or similar trans would be the way to get cruising speed out of a TT. With all the modifications, you'll probably have more in parts and labor than you paid for the truck, though. Beautiful truck; I'm envious.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 11:12 am:

Tyler -- I expect our friend Jon could whip up a set of floorboards for you. But please don't ask him to until he's finished with my Coupelet body. :-)

Nice truck, BTW.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 11:19 am:

OK, some folks say that '26 TT's had the earlier square switch plate, and some say they had the later oval one. Who's right? Maybe both, if that change was made during the '26 model year.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam on Tuesday, August 12, 2014 - 11:24 am:

What is the serial number stamped on the FRAME? That will tell you when it was made.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 08:29 am:

The high speed gear ad with the $620 price is from five years ago. When you think of the low price, remember how much folks had to work for it back in those days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 10:13 am:

Mike, The TT's did not just jump on the 26/27 style. I think the fenders never did change to the newer style. The Ignition switch plate maybe changed near the end of TT production?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, August 19, 2014 - 10:46 am:

Thanks, Willie. I figured that might be the case.


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