Just saw this news story...
Leave it to Enviro-nazi's to suck the air out of life! Next there will be a tax on beans because they cause flatulence that lead to global warming.
Go suck some air in ChiCom Beijing or Saigon if you don't like regulations. In spite of the great increase in population and cars, the air in the Los Angeles basin is much cleaner than it was 40 years ago.
The San Joaquin Valley is now the area of the US with the most air pollution, thanks to farm chemicals. The nasties are in the water, too.
Remember London killer fogs of 50 years ago? Why wouldn't they do everything possible to minimize air pollution?
Ralph, I guess if you catch your kid picking his nose cutting off the offending digit will put and end to that!
Nothing like throwing the Baby out with the bathwater, HUH?
Another internet fake, Jay. Adolf (not "Adolph") Hitler was a major liar, but he never would have said so. He always claimed to be telling the truth. Being a nutcase, he may have believed so. The false quote is often attributed to Goebbels, who also would never have said it publicly. He too always insisted that his propaganda was true. It's apparently paraphrased from a passage in Mein Kampf in which Hitler accuses his enemies, Jews of the Vienna press, of lying about him.
This is similar to the recent incident in which Obama denounced the philosophy of oppressive regimes and it was all over the internet edited to give the impression that he was advocating it.
Most internet quotes are fake. ~ Abraham Lincoln
However many handful of Model T's and other antique era cars are driving around in London, they are definitely not the problem. Granted, it's across the pond, but we need to keep this kind of thing from happening. We will turn around and our T's won't be legal to drive on the road. And THAT would be a shame.
I don't know if we have any lawyers on the forum but a Model T Legal Defense team working hand in hand with the MTFCA and maybe HCCA wouldn't be a bad thing. I'd definitely contribute to it.
I don't see how the very few Model T s which would be driven through the city would make any significant difference.
I see a major problem. The royal family should be introduced and encouraged to get into the hobby, then there would be no ban.
In the US, we have SEMA to help protect the automotive hobby.
The air in London seems OK. This Boris Johnson is probably a leftie, bicycle loving car hater. They should get rid of him instead as he probably farts excessively while driving a Toyota Prius. I'm sure there will be an exemption for the royal's Rolls Royce Phantom VI everytime there is a royal wedding.
Thanks for that quote by Abraham Lincoln. I heard him say it.
When I visited London within the last ten years, I didn't see one old car older than the seventies or eighties, much less a Model T. I even had to go North to Northampton to see one of the older black taxi cabs (Austin, I think) which most people associate with London, or England for that matter. In over a weeks visit, I only saw one old car that had wooden spoke wheels and was obviously built in the twenties in a small English town. I don't know what make it was, because it flew past me on the street, but it wasn't a Ford. It was much to big and much to fast. It was easily going over the speed limit, as it flew past me.
There would be far less polution if they banned people from Piccadily Cirus. How about that bloody mayor?
You guys have narrowed this down to T's. I understand that considering what this Forum's about and all BUT that story was issued solely from the antique car side of the ban which is a minor part of the problem. It covers all vehicles what wouldn't meet certain requirements. Trucks, simply based on the vibrations they cause, have been banned around Westminster Abbey for years. Banning certain vehicles for what ever reason from particular areas is nothing new. If you benefit from the lack or lessening of pollution or damage you're for it and there's a heck of a lot more of them than there is of us. Beginning of the end? Nope. Have your car show 6" outside of London. No problem. Just watch.
If any of you really cared about the quality of the air all cig,s and cigars and pipes should be banned world wide. Think of all the smoke, the fuel used to produce the product. Matches, lighters and the fuel to deliver to the stores. They are looking in the wrong places. And the health problems and cost to treat them. Who has there hear in the wrong place? scott
but why would anyone wish to drive their Model T in London???
(written 120 miles away in Somerset, having recently driven a T 400 miles around N Wales)
And how will they enforce it? Easy to do in London. I'm sure they realized a new way to abuse those horrible "congestion charge" cameras that automatically photograph licence plates. All it takes is a computer to look at the registered year of every car and if yours is before a certain date, your ticket is in the mail. I've only seen one old car in London, it was a mid '70s Corvette in neglected condition. I was surprised to see it there.
On our trip to England which included three weeks of daily motoring I only saw one car older than 30 years on the road and that was a Morris Minor -Karl
I think driving a T in London would be on a par with the same in Manhattan or downtown L.A. As Chris says, why would anyone want to?
Steve, its probably more of a reaction to the Government nanny state than it is that people actually want to go drive there. Just like with light bulbs we are now not allowed to buy. Screw-em!
The real concern is the London to Brighton run for pre 1905 cars in november each year..
I've been waiting for an announcement like this for some time, and here's the first one I've seen. Give it time and they'll be banned everywhere. So, enjoy your T while you can.
There are many low emission zones in cities in Europe, mainly in Germany and Italy it seems: http://urbanaccessregulations.eu/
In Sweden the low emission zones only deals with heavy traffic (yet..?)
In Germany and Sweden historic vehicles older than 30 years are exempt from the regulations, don't know about the other countries.
On the flip side any car that can be registered as a classic here in N.J. (25 years & older) doesn't require a state inspection/sticker. No emissions check. Not that any of them could pass one anyway. There are however no restricted areas that I know of. Also it seems from some of the above posts that banning vehicles from certain areas isn't a new thing at all. The title of this post is a wee bit misleading as the article doesn't specifically mention T's and isn't directed at them in particular. It's emissions and cleaner air in general that's the main topic and keeping all of them out of the city will definitely have an affect on that no matter how small. It is, of course, politicians giving the public the idea their doing something and hitting the smallest group possible while doing it. With the least backlash. A plus for them. The fact that the T slots perfectly in this ban in merely incidental. Not a good thing for the antique car hobby but again we're small, they are big.