Rustoleum formula change

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Rustoleum formula change
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:19 am:

I just found out this morning that the local hardware had to send back all Rustoleum products recently and the new paints have labeling that makes you think it is the same stuff but it is not oil base anymore.
She explained that due to the new epa laws there would be no oil base paints in about 16 months.
I wont repeat what she said after that as it would relate to politics. :-(
This affects alot of us even if we dont use it on T's.

It is sad that the goverments and all involved keep things like this hush hush so we cant stock up on needed materials.
Just thought I would get the word out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 10:07 am:

Mack they are even painting cars with a water base stuff they say is "better than the old stuff" they said the same thing when they switched to a base coat / clearcoat system but the paint doesn't have the same durability so we shall see but I have my serious doubts! The EPA was brought about for good reasons then they ran out of bad guy's to pursue so in order to justify their existence and size they go after anything next they will try to regulate die-hydrogen monoxide that stuff kills too many people every year esp. during hot weather!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 11:11 am:

I don't know what type of oil was in the recent rustoleum but in the 1960's it was fish oil. That is good for human consumption, why not good for paint? It has worked very well over the years.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 11:35 am:

The ban started about 10 years ago on a state by state basis with NY, NJ, Pa, Va, Maryland, and DOC. It seems it was more the toxic solvents added to the paint to make it work better than the oil itself.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 11:47 am:

The new rattle cans are terrible. They start coagulating within the can shortly after use, and end up spitting and clogging when you try to use them at a later date. You might as well plan on using the whole can in one use. The paint also fades really fast. The formulas were recently changed again, resulting in all kinds of new problems. I have 20 year old cans of paint that still paint as new.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By ex trooper on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 11:49 am:

Getting thirsty today... hot air is drying me out

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Chochole on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 12:15 pm:

I can't speak for anyone else, but modern car paint is amazing. I have seen major dents and puckers pop right back with any paint chips nor cracks. I am an enamel fan myself but even I admit the new formulas are very resilient.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 12:26 pm:

Silly boys - Pure Di-Hydrogen Mono-Oxide is a silent killer.

If you drink enough of it you will die.

If you insist on using it you must find "dirty" Di-Hydrogen Mono-Oxide otherwise it will leach the minerals out of your body.

Additionally the excessive use of "dirty" Di-Hydrogen Mono-Oxide can result in dilutional hyponatremia, that can cause a disturbance in the brain function that will kill you.


When I think about it - Royce is trying to protect us from death when he tells us that a Di-Hydrogen Mono-Oxide mover is not needed on our Model Ts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 12:36 pm:

In 2006, in Louisville, Kentucky, David Karem, executive director of the Waterfront Development Corporation, a public body that operates Waterfront Park, wished to deter bathers from using a large public fountain. "Counting on a lack of understanding about water's chemical makeup," he arranged for signs reading: "DANGER! WATER CONTAINS HIGH LEVELS OF HYDROGEN KEEP OUT" to be posted on the fountain at public expense. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 01:26 pm:

Did it work?

(the sign - did the words deter the bathers?)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 01:54 pm:

Spray paint for simple little projects,I have been useing the Ace store brand. Seems to work ok and not so exspensive.
I am so sad to see rustoleum go to crap as some of my stuff was painted 10 years ago and looks just fine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 01:59 pm:

I just tried the new Valspar primer+paint. States that it dries in 30 minutes. 4 days later it was still sticky, so I am not that impressed with it, but had to give it a try. Will have to give it time and see how well it holds up once it is completely dried out.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed in California on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 02:06 pm:

Its funny you mention valspar, i tried the "new" appliance paint yesterday, and its still not dry! The can says "fast dry" too. We are all being played as fools by the EPA.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Chochole on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 03:44 pm:

How does what a company labels on their cans a fault of the EPA?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Hatch on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 03:59 pm:

FYI: I have found that storing the can upside down helps with the stopping up of the spray tip. May just be luck, put it seams to help me. Dan


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 04:05 pm:

James, it is not the label that is the fault of the EPA, it is the contents of the can.
The EPA was given the power to protect navigable waters in the US, they have expanded their power by declaring all water navigable. The water in your bath tub is covered now, so if you are dirty, you had better make sure that you do not get into the bath (or shower either for that matter)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:11 pm:

Dave/Ed....yes, you're right about the Valspar. While it does seem to dry fairly quickly, I found out that it really does take a good week to fully CURE....big difference than plain drying. I still love the stuff. Used it on T running board and A fenders, and looks as good as a pro job. Will it hold up under outdoor conditions? Too early to tell for sure, and since they stay in the barn 99% of the time, I'm thinking that it'll do until such time as I can get them basecoat/clearcoated.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, August 13, 2014 - 09:52 pm:

Don't be hasty in judging the Valspar Dave........it takes a while to cure.
How humid has it been down there?
With reasonable humidity it should be dry to the touch in less than an hour.
I gave my '27 about 5 coats within 2 hours last Fall JUST beating cold weather.
It was dry to the touch in about an hour but with that much paint on it it didn't cure till this Spring.
I've used the Krylon counterpart paint too but found it runs quite easily whereas the Valspar doesn't.
Give it time.......I think you'll love it.


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