Does anyone have pictures of the front kick panels on a 1913 touring car. I bought a kit several years back and I am just getting around to installing it and the cardboard backing seems too long. Does it wrap around the wood post that is directly behind the wood dash or does it stop before it wraps around? thanks kelley
Welcome to the forum! Below is a photo of Dallas Judge Quentin Corley taken in 1916 that shows his 1913. Hopefully it will be the first of many photos that get better and better and show you along with descriptions how it originally was installed. Remember there were several body makers and upholstery folks so it isn't necessarily a one way only to do things.
The door handle sticking up through the door is a clear indication it is a 1913 style body. (Sometimes the windshields sneak into another model year, but it also has the typical 1913 style windshield.)
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From page 43 of the Jan – Feb 1988 “Vintage Ford” (used by permission) and also republished in Bruce’s book on page 168 is a 1913 body that still has the original upholstery and is shown below.
I suspect Larry “Original” Smith probably has the answer and more photos.
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Thanks for the help Hap. The picture of the judges car shows the trim strip and how the material is wrapped around the post. I had the old panels but they somehow disappeared so I could not compare them. thanks kelley
Kelly, I hope you get lots of the right pictures you are chasing! I am intrigued by that photo Hap posted of the Judge. It is so clear and shows so much detail. The picture almost deserves a thread of its own. I have not seen it before. How did he start the car? Does he only have one arm as it looks? How did he shift to high gear? How does he operate spark and throttle while hooked to the steering wheel? How does he crank the car to start? I was going to say that he would have had his hands full trying to operate that T but that would not be right. You know what I mean anyway.
One of your question is answered Warwick, at least I think it is. Look carefully at his right shoe. I'm pretty sure it's resting on a foot feed throttle.
The interesting part of the judge photo l found, shows or does not show, the airflow divider/deflector fitted to the top half of the windshield. Seems in this photo it is missing.
Ps.. what is that under his right foot toe???
Ah l got it, no right arm, foot throttle.
Kelley – I’m glad that answered your question. I know how those parts can sometime disappear in the garage (attic, closet, trunk, etc).
For anyone that would like a higher resolution of the photo – it is available from the Library of Congress at: http://loc.gov/pictures/resource/ggbain.13513/ and you can down load a 25mb TIFF copy. It was while I was looking for some additional information about the Judge Corely that I ran across where the original photo was located. And as others find higher resolution copies of Ts – please let us know where we can download the photo. You never know which photo will provide the answer for someone. Below is that area cropped from the higher resolution photo and it demonstrates how much detail is available sometimes:
Warwick – some thoughts about your questions:
Q: How did he start the car?
Possible Answer: From https://www.flickr.com/photos/library_of_congress/3641566594/
He invented the hook for his arm, patented 1912, with which he could drive his automobile, including crank starting it. With various other prosthesis of his own invention, he was reported able to write with pencil, pen, or typewriter. Note an accessory starter would have been a nice way to start the car, but I don’t see an obvious starter switch for electric [see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/404943.html ] ; or a foot switch for a compressed air see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/117851.html?1261533436 ;
or an acetylene gas starter [ see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/342467.html?1361112970 and http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/179374/229019.html?1313166248 ] or a spring starter see: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/418429.html?1390836574 They may or may not be hidden by other parts of the car. But worse case he could start it with his foot (not good if it backfires) although turning it over with the switch off and then turning the switch on works ok for a well tuned Ford. And he lived in Dallas, Texas not North Dakota.
Q: Does he only have one arm as it looks?
A: Yes, only one arm, he lost his other arm, shoulder and both hands in a train accident -- see Wikipedia article at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quentin_Durward_Corley
Q: How did he shift to high gear?
A: While stopped (as he only has one arm) he only needs to depress the clutch/low speed pedal part way and slip the emergency brake lever full forward. He now controls both low – neutral – and high with the clutch pedal. [From: http://www.mtfca.com/books/1911Inst.htm 1911 owner’s manual that is how they recommend to start the car – it says:  ” To Start the Machine, slightly accelerate the engine by opening the throttle, place the foot on the clutch pedal, and thereby hold the gears in a neutral position while throwing the hand lever forward; then to start the ear in motion, press the pedal forward into slow speed and when under sufficient headway (20 to 30 feet), allow the pedal to drop back slowly into high speed, at the same time partially closing the throttle, which will allow the engine to pick up its load easily.” ]
Q: How does he operate spark and throttle while hooked to the steering wheel?
A: As mentioned earlier the foot throttle that was shown. For the spark – there may be a foot advance that we don’t see or a centrifugal advance on a distributor.
An interesting story -- of someone who faced some tough times and kept going and came out on top. If he had quit when the accident occurred he would not have invented and patented the arm he is using nor would he have become a judge.
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The kick panels do indeed go over the firewall support brackets. I use chip board covered with some very nice material from Haartz, that looks just like the original. I finish it off with the correct 9/16" binding that we make. As far as I know, no one else makes it. The closest thing for upholstery nails is from Witmer Coach in Pennsylvania. Theirs is 1/32" larger in diameter than the original.