Three tier sidelights but odd headlights?
Do you recognized them?
2 bolt front body mount and a 4 bolt rear body mount. Plus the extra piece externally mounted on the hood mechanism. Wow, great photos!!!
Radiator has the external shell and no cross bar.
It also has a roll-down front windshield curtain as well as a windshield.
Great picture. Thanks for sharing.
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Very early 1909. Has the four bolts on the rear body bracket and two on the front. Low door handle position. It is probably first 2500 or lower serial number.
It looks like the starting crank is in the up position.
That is an early one too. Isn't it?
The crank is in the horizontal position - there is a strap attached to the driver's side headlamp fork holding up the crank.
Look at the top of the running board,and no i can't spell what i think it is! Bud.
Linoleum with brass trim.
With those reflectors, I wonder if the headlights have been converted to electric?
headlights look like "vesta accumulaters" , i have a pair, and i've seen some here on someones speedster, sorry, cant remember who
Herb and Erik,
Below are some enlarged and contrast changed shots of the crank:
below at 150 percent
below at 200 percent
below at 800 percent
While the origianl photo appeared to have a strap holding the crank horizontal, zooming in and adjusting the light/contrast indicates that is actually the front fender that looks like a strap but is not really a strap. Note you do NOT see anything going over the crank handle but the line (that origianally looked like a strap) goes behind the crank handle.
While the original photo appeared to have a strap holding the crank horizontal, zooming in and adjusting the light/contrast indicates that is actually the front fender that looks like a strap but is not really a strap. Note you do NOT see anything going over the crank handle but the line (that originally looked like a strap) goes behind the crank handle.
There are comments on that early style crank ratchet at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/ratchets.htm . I was hoping that would state what positions the ratchet would hold the crank on the water pump engines. While that did not address that, I am 99% sure that early crank ratchet can hold the crank vertically (up or down) as well as horizontally. If anyone has a reference for that please let us know so I can add that to the notes. Below is a cropped section from a photo from taken around Dec 31, 1908 at the Grand Central Plaza New York Auto show. It shows the Landaulet with the crank vertical but in the down position. [The complete photo is on page 57 of Stern’s “Tin Lizzie” and page 18 of Kreipke’s “The Model T a Pictorial chronology…” and has been posted a few times but I don’t have a link handy.]
Clearly the car Herb posted is a water pump engine 2500 or less. And I believe the "T" shaped four bolts on the middle body mount would date it earlier rather than later in that first 2500 cars [note car # 2,448 was the first thermo-syphon engine assembled Apr 22, 1909 ref page 480 Bruce McCalley (RIP) "Model T Ford." There was overlap when both style engines were used from Apr 22 to May 4 or so.]
I sure wish owners back then had written the engine number on the back of their photos.
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The early crank ratchet will only hold the crank vertically when released forward. However the crank can rest on the (non running) crankshaft if the ratchet is engaged in the position shown. It would be held in place by gravity.