2 views of a 1909 Ford Touring car-Photos

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 10:25 pm:



Three tier sidelights but odd headlights?
Do you recognized them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Chantrell - Adelaide, Australia on Thursday, August 14, 2014 - 10:40 pm:

2 bolt front body mount and a 4 bolt rear body mount. Plus the extra piece externally mounted on the hood mechanism. Wow, great photos!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 02:17 am:

Radiator has the external shell and no cross bar.

It also has a roll-down front windshield curtain as well as a windshield.

Great picture. Thanks for sharing.

: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 07:46 am:

Very early 1909. Has the four bolts on the rear body bracket and two on the front. Low door handle position. It is probably first 2500 or lower serial number.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 07:44 pm:

It looks like the starting crank is in the up position.
That is an early one too. Isn't it?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 09:16 pm:

The crank is in the horizontal position - there is a strap attached to the driver's side headlamp fork holding up the crank.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 09:57 pm:

Look at the top of the running board,and no i can't spell what i think it is! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 10:02 pm:

Linoleum with brass trim.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Severn - SE Texas on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 10:09 pm:

With those reflectors, I wonder if the headlights have been converted to electric?

Bill


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Friday, August 15, 2014 - 10:35 pm:

headlights look like "vesta accumulaters" , i have a pair, and i've seen some here on someones speedster, sorry, cant remember who


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 06:39 am:

Herb and Erik,

Below are some enlarged and contrast changed shots of the crank:

below at 150 percent


below at 200 percent


below at 800 percent


While the origianl photo appeared to have a strap holding the crank horizontal, zooming in and adjusting the light/contrast indicates that is actually the front fender that looks like a strap but is not really a strap. Note you do NOT see anything going over the crank handle but the line (that origianally looked like a strap) goes behind the crank handle.

While the original photo appeared to have a strap holding the crank horizontal, zooming in and adjusting the light/contrast indicates that is actually the front fender that looks like a strap but is not really a strap. Note you do NOT see anything going over the crank handle but the line (that originally looked like a strap) goes behind the crank handle.

There are comments on that early style crank ratchet at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/ratchets.htm . I was hoping that would state what positions the ratchet would hold the crank on the water pump engines. While that did not address that, I am 99% sure that early crank ratchet can hold the crank vertically (up or down) as well as horizontally. If anyone has a reference for that please let us know so I can add that to the notes. Below is a cropped section from a photo from taken around Dec 31, 1908 at the Grand Central Plaza New York Auto show. It shows the Landaulet with the crank vertical but in the down position. [The complete photo is on page 57 of Stern’s “Tin Lizzie” and page 18 of Kreipke’s “The Model T a Pictorial chronology…” and has been posted a few times but I don’t have a link handy.]



Clearly the car Herb posted is a water pump engine 2500 or less. And I believe the "T" shaped four bolts on the middle body mount would date it earlier rather than later in that first 2500 cars [note car # 2,448 was the first thermo-syphon engine assembled Apr 22, 1909 ref page 480 Bruce McCalley (RIP) "Model T Ford." There was overlap when both style engines were used from Apr 22 to May 4 or so.]

I sure wish owners back then had written the engine number on the back of their photos.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 08:37 am:

The early crank ratchet will only hold the crank vertically when released forward. However the crank can rest on the (non running) crankshaft if the ratchet is engaged in the position shown. It would be held in place by gravity.


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