600 W - home brew - improvement anyone?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: 600 W - home brew - improvement anyone?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tyrone Thomas - Topeka KS on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 05:43 pm:

Has anyone come up with a home brewed improvement over 600W lube? If so, can you pass on you mixture? Thank you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 06:03 pm:

I use 90-140 synthetic. It's not so messy, and it doesn't stink like hypoid oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 09:06 pm:

I'd go with what RD said above, especially if you have an attached garage. Otherwise every rear end leak will stink up the house.

There's a Horseless Carriage favorite too:
1 pound of 140 gear oil, one can of STP and one can of long fiber wheel bearing grease.
it comes out heavy but flows well.
You will need a double vane kitchen mixer and mix for twenty minutes.

For a Ruckstel you need 90 or 80-90. Or 75-140.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 09:15 pm:

"You will need a double vane kitchen mixer and mix for twenty minutes."
HE He. You will also need to time it so the wife is out of the house for enough time to blend it and then clean it so your next cake does not taste and smell of STP. Good luck with that!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Booth on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 09:39 pm:

Paul,
Before I read you reply I read out loud the recipe to my wife....many choice words.

She's still tick at me for using her tea pot to make a steam box...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 09:58 pm:

I do the STP mix. Only I use a mixing stick and heat the mixture. It only takes one time in the kitchen on the stove and you have a dedicated garage pot. Also your wife will encourage the purchase of a Coleman camping stove for the garage (that stove works great in turning 1 gallon turpentine tins into steamers for making roof bows!). BTW the wife has a rather sweet way of curing one from ever concocting gear lube in the kitchen (or maybe even in the same state) again!

The mix pours easily when it comes off the stove... it seems to work very well also. It remains liquid after cooling, but is too viscous to pour or pump easily.

TH


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 10:09 pm:

85-140 from Tractor Supply will work just fine. Use your home brew talent for suds or wine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Dvis on Saturday, August 16, 2014 - 10:37 pm:

Down here in hot Texas I pack the pumpkin with lub grease. It get's where it needs to be and doesn't run out the outer wheel seals. Also, if you can find them, the long axle springs work great. I have them on my 26 coupe for 30 years and no grease leak, yet any way.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 10:22 am:

I used this:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 10:44 am:

Geez this drives me nuts. I cannot understand why some of you guys have to experiment with home made brews on your T's. Rear end lubes and exotic coolant mixtures seen to lead the way. I realise some are kidding but there's a few who'll try anything. Dump some of this "improved" whatever in your modern. When it blows up and you try to get it fixed under warranty you'll be laying out the $ because you messed around. Do you really need an excuse to pull your T's engine or differential apart? Just do it without ruining other parts by using some ancient receipe that's better than the manufacturer's recommendations. You'll NEVER hear on this Forum about some units failure because of doing what Grandpa did 50 years ago. Lay you $5 he wouldn't admit it either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 11:00 am:

If you decide to use a mixer, visit yard sales, and second hand stores and try to find a used one that still works. Do not use the same machine for cooking, and if you are married, your wife will be happy that you didn't use hers. Mine would let me use her hair drier to heat up self gluing veneer. But I don't think she was completely happy about it.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Horlick in Penn Valley, CA on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 11:51 am:

Charlie, sorry about your insanity... perhaps we can take up a collection to help you obtain treatment. I doubt many T owners are very worried about warantee issues on their cars.

Some of us have noticed that the model T Ford is no longer being manufactured. Also many specified parts and supplies are no longer available. Ford calls for "1 1/2 lbs. of high grade gear compound" in the rear end. Since this material seems to be unavailable we can either find a substitute or send the car to the crusher. If the original specification is unavailable to you I think you should make or obtain a suitable replacement. When you mix oil, grease and STP you have produced a high grade gear compound.

Some folks can't run without the proper label on their shoes, pants, and shirt. If you grab a felt tip pen and write "High Grade Gear Compound for use exclusively in Model T Fords" on the jar you store this glop in then your car should run just fine. Labeling thus should meet the warantee requirements as established for Model T Fords.

The home brew mix formula came to me from a dear friend (the late Don Jennings) who had been using it in his cars since the 1950's. His many T's and mine have done quite well with the stinky mix.

I won't take your bet because my Grandfather wouldn't purchase any Ford product due to the anti-semitism of the company owner. So he couldn't admit lubrication failure now could he?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 12:12 pm:

The T rearend is just gears and bearings, like all the new rearends made today. Why not just use modern gear oil?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 12:57 pm:

Terry, You are out of line. Where did anti-semitism come from? Also today,s oil,s and grease,s are light years ahead of your 65 year old witch,s brew. If it works for you, fine. But how many are oil enginner,s on this site. The oil company,s are producing products that most here can only dream of.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 01:23 pm:

Regarding Henry Ford's anti - Semitism, it is a well known fact Robert. Here is part of an interview written by noted American Jewish historian Hasia Diner:

Henry Ford's anti-Semitic views echoed the fears and assumptions of many Americans in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. Anti-Semitism in America saw a change in expression and virulence when increased immigration from Europe brought millions of Jews to the U.S. during Ford's childhood in the latter half of the 19th century. It reached its peak during the mid-1920s: a time when Ku Klux Klan membership had reached four million, Prohibition restricted alcohol consumption, and discriminatory immigration policies were enacted favoring immigrants from northern and western Europe over other parts of the world.

A close friend recalled a camping trip in 1919 during which Ford lectured a group around the campfire. He "attributes all evil to Jews or to the Jewish capitalists," the friend wrote in his diary. "The Jews caused the war, the Jews caused the outbreak of thieving and robbery all over the country, the Jews caused the inefficiency of the navy…"

In 1918, Henry Ford purchased his hometown newspaper, The Dearborn Independent. A year and a half later, he began publishing a series of articles that claimed a vast Jewish conspiracy was infecting America. The series ran in the following 91 issues. Ford bound the articles into four volumes titled "The International Jew," and distributed half a million copies to his vast network of dealerships and subscribers. The rhetoric was not unusual for its content, as much as its scope. As one of the most famous men in America, Henry Ford legitimized ideas that otherwise may have been given little authority.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Robert Scott Owens on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 02:03 pm:

Royce, You too are out of line. Henry got mad at the Jewsish bankers and it flowed over to his soured out look of Jews. But Charlie did not bring up the subject and Terry and you should not either. A few threads ago you and Rob had a nice Thread about oil-lube on timer,s. That is what this forum is about. But you are back to the old royce. I was going to add to the other thread on how nice it was. But I overrated you. Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 02:11 pm:

Robert, the only person with a problem here is you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 03:44 pm:

What has transmission lube to do with anti-Semitism?
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 03:58 pm:

Norman,

Not one thing. Please explain why Terry deserves to be attacked for making a comment that is both true and on topic (Ford cars and the company).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 04:00 pm:

As long as we've beaten the lube into a thread drift: They say the late Robin Williams was the only child of a high powered Ford executive. Was the father significant in Ford history?

GOOD MORNING, VIETNAM!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Chochole on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 04:22 pm:

For what it is worth- and without getting father in the rough- Bob's Antique Auto has 600w oil for about $8. A great price in my book for rear end lube and no hot plate required. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By James Chochole on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 04:22 pm:

Meant to write "farther into the rough.." fat finger type-o


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 05:06 pm:

I'll gladly accept any monetary collections you can take up Terry. By the way my madness is called the Model T Hobby. The warranty remark (as you probably well know any way) was merely to suggest that most wouldn't mess with their moderns the way they sometimes treat their T's with home made brews. I don't understand the last line in the post either. If your Grandad dumped home made stuff into his Chevy or Buick wouldn't it be the same thing? Forget the bet. If he blew his rear with some load of whatever kind of stuff he probably 1: wouldn't admit it (they never do). and 2: he'd do it again! By the way exactly what lubricant isn't available any more that makes you mix your own?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 05:27 pm:

Eh help me out here. I am a tight wad.
But even I order a container of the 600w from Snyders when needed.
Stp and God knows what else, unless it is just laying around, cost as much as the 600w does after you mix it up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Semprez-Templeton, CA on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 05:43 pm:

I see a corollary here, since many nowadays, frown on mixing their own lubricants, the vendors are suffering. I say lets be reasonable here. If we recreate the gear lubricants used in the era the Model T was new, parts sales should improve... heck why not recreate period engine oil as well? A good cup grease thinned with kerosene should do the trick. There, two problems solved!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 06:18 pm:

John you made my point better than I could. There's nothing that's not available as far as recommended lubricants go. There's certainly no need to send your car to the crusher because of differential lube. Now I'm as reasonable as the next guy and I understand, as was posted recently, If you live outside the 48 postage can be daunting. The post involved a manufactured lube for the rear that was available for him locally. That's understandable. The postage would be X number of times what the product would cost. But it was a manufactured product compatable to what's sold here by jobbers not a witches brew from someone's basement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Sunday, August 17, 2014 - 10:40 pm:

Well, my Power King 24-17 garden tractor had a Borg Warner transmission and they suggested straight stp poured in it. It worked well for that.


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