Going to look at a frame how can I tell its a 26 frame
rear cross member is wider , and front cross member has "wings" that flare up for the fender mounts. standard frame will just have plain square corners on the front
Check for serial number on upper passenger side rail Just behind where emergency brake bracket attaches to frame. Serial number will tell you also date of manufacture.
Mike, the rear cross member on 26/27 frames is much longer than the earlier ones. It should be about
42 3/4 inches long. Also, most have a lip on both side with holes that the spring clips go through.
Mike, There are 2 different rear cross members for 26 27. One will have flanges with holes for the rear spring U-bolts to go thru. It is 1927 and probably mid to late 26. I personally consider anything December 1925 and before as a early 1926 car (no real proof of that, just years of observations). The other rear cross member for early 1926 will have no flanges or u-bolt holes. Both styles will have longer "ears" than the earlier (25 and before) frames. The early 1926 frames do not have the engine number stamped on it. The engine # could be stamped on top of the frame, on either side of the frame, and near the hand brake cross shaft. I believe from memory they started stamping the frames December 12,1925, with engine #12,861,044.Im not not at home where my notes are, so I could be wrong on the engine #. If the running board brackets are still on the frame they will have 2 holes at the outer end of the bracket. The outer hole is for 1926-27 and the inner hole is for the earlier cars. It was so the dealers could "cut off" the brackets to work on earlier cars. And as mentioned above the front cross member will have 2 "ears" for the front fender irons to mount to. If you need any info on the 26 27s feel free to contact me ....
I meant to say there are 2 ears or brackets "at" the front cross member. They are separate brackets and not part of the front cross member.
Sometimes a photo helps. From previous threads.
13 - 25 on the right and later 26 or 27 on the left (note flange on rear crossmember)
Earlier 26 - no flange:
Early 26, no rear flange and no serial number:
Jim, a very good description, way to go ...
thank you all so much now I know
I'll throw something else in here. The commercial chassis has no horns on the front as they used the early fender irons, the rear cross member will still be the same as the other 26-27's.KGB
Keith, The commercial chassis you mention, What bodies were used with it. I am not familiar with a 26-27 style frame with the long 26-27 style rear cross member, that used the early type fender irons. I know the TT frames used the early style fenders and irons, but the one you mention is something new to me. Thanks for bringing it up. It may be something I need to research and add to the, 1926-27 Improved models, A study of ... threads I am working on. I have not got to the frames yet but they will be coming up soon....
The way I understand it the commercial chassis was same as the car, not the TT. A friend of mine has one that he bought years ago and now has a period correct camper built on it. We questioned the originality of it but upon close examination were convinced there were never any 27 fender brackets on this frame. All holes were correct for the early fender irons with the early fenders. Has high firewall typical of 24-25. Our theory is that Ford or maybe the dealers put these together from parts of earlier models to use existing stock. Who knows for sure. Maybe another model T mystery to be solved. KGB
Donnie -- I believe the "Commercial Chassis" Keith mentioned would have come with no body installed, suitable for an aftermarket body, such as a Delivery.
Keith -- So you're saying that the Commercial Chassis during the "Improved Ford" era came with the earlier type of front fenders, as did the TT trucks? That's interesting info, and just the kind of thing I believe Donnie is hoping to unearth with his search. It would be interesting to see what a '26-7 catalog of body styles has pictured for the Chassis. Thanks for sharing your experience.
Keith, Thanks for explaining it. I know I have never heard of a chassis like you describe. Maybe someone else has another one. There is a lot of mysteries that do need solved..
Yes Mike, I am sure you know the person who has this chassis, he doesn't post much on here anymore but maybe will come in on this. He has many pictures of this set up from the time he got it to the present configuration. Maybe someone else out there has one of these or at least a frame for comparison. KGB
Keith -- OK, now I'm making the connection. I just wasn't aware of the late frame/early fender combo you guys found. That's an important observation on your guys' parts, and maybe we can get some more info on it.