I hope we will hear the final outcome for the original '12 Touring offered at just over 22,000.
I see there were only 2 offers and neither accepted so far. I thought 16 was a good offer but was topped. Maybe if it had been listed at auction with the reserve hidden instead of the two day buy it now it may have had more response. Would like to hear the outcome someday. Certainly was a nice car.
I believe E-Bay showed it as selling for $18500 when I looked at the completed auction.
It's listed as "Ended" not "Sold".
It'll go live again around 7:30 CDT this evening with the $18,500 buy it now.
After a last hour chat with the owner I modified the auction very close to the ending time.
I will never EVER run a reserve bid, shell game, auction.
I want potential bidders to know what the score is up front with no games.
Craig, Can u post a pic??
Tons of photos there >>> http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/411944/470421.html?1409492793
There is the video >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUSIXoPdALA
Sorry but I smell fish
Gary, What I think you smell is a fish market. Craig is trying his level best to get top dollar for his friend, an honorable gesture for sure. However this proposed sale is getting a little messy, I guess Craig may be using ebay to establish a fair market value.
Better than that. I think Craig is trying to get a good deal for both the buyer and the seller. A very difficult balance to be sure. If he is beginning to get stressed a bit, I would not be surprised. No matter what he does, someone may feel like they have been wronged. I wish I wasn't completely broke. (Thanks to totally corrupt politics and my screwed-up family) (Sorry for the drift) I really wish I could take Craig out of his shoes.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Have you bothered checking my profile?
My website >>> www.andersonofrosholt.com
My CHIEF MOD status at www.smokstak.com/forum ?
There might be a fish somewhere but it isn't ME.
Only fish Craig smells of is if he cooked it....
You GOT it Rex!.......
the www.smokstak.com/forum refused to load
Loaded for me just fine.
And if I haven't got my names mixed up, which I often do, Craig's a helluva painter with a rattle can!!
HA HA Tim........and so are YOU it seems......
Craig, That's a very nice car for $18,500. The parts that have been replaced with later parts are out there. The hoarders have them but not an other wise nice original car.
Thanks Don.......that's what I've trying to get across but I'm not having much luck.
I think it's not that hard to buy "restored" cars.
I think it's VERY hard to find them like this.
Lots of tire kickers and a couple REAL low ball offers.......they must think I'm some kind of rube........ LOL
Time will tell....... ;)
If I owned a nice 1912 I think I'd be worried about its value if THIS one doesn't sell.
Craig, I've been buying and selling vehicles all my life. Over the last fifteen years, I've been dabbling in Model Ts and parts to help fund my hobby. Over the years, I've learned one undeniable truth about car sales; it's always easier to find a seller than it is to find a buyer. If you set yourself on a two to four week schedule to sell a $20K toy, you've set yourself up for frustration. I still believe that this is a nice car, with most of its original features intact, valued in the $15-$18k range. If you need to get more than that out of it for your friend, you'll both have to hold out for just the right buyer. Most of the people that are ready to plunk down $20k on a toy, want it to be all shiney and pretty. Your looking for the guy that values this car for it's original features.
Craig, keep up the great work and this car will get a new home somewhere like Eric says. It just has to have the right buyer and the right timing.
Please don't get frustrated by what some posters say here cause you've done a ton of work with all the pics.
You have to remember that the one buyer you need may not have seen your tbay listing or have been keeping current here on the forum. You've already probably considered other listings and one good one is the HCCA web site.
"Thanks for your support".......
The worst that can happen is it doesn't sell.
On the other hand we've given the car world wide exposure.......
The seller has an opportunity to buy his dream but it's not a car.......it's an airplane and he has a time frame within which to raise the money to make it come true.
He's been watching this thread and has made up his mind to NOT sacrifice this car.
I think we've all been there.......some more than others.......I'm in the MORE category.......been there and done that too many times but never looked back....... ;)
Sure does look like a darned nice car to me. Were I not wrapped around somebody's finger, I'd be tempted to buy it, myself.
C'MON Bob.......it's ONLY munny.......
fingers can be amputated
Don Skille had mentioned to me about 1912 being a weird year for T's as there were lots of things going on during the '12 model year
Just last night I FINALLY cracked the cover on my "From Here to Obscurity" book and found out where the problems lie in absolutely identifying a 1912 car.
It seems it's nearly impossible to say with absolute certainty what is and what is not "correct" with all the changes made on the fly during their production.
Nobody knows if a leftover or new part was used early or late in the run.
I did find in interesting that the 12 rivet rear end was expressly pointed out during the latter part of production.
I too am very much interested to hear thoughts around the likely date when calender 1912 cars began sporting the Little Pumpkin rear ends? Ford correspondence shows where this equipment was mentioned in June as being OEM for the 1913 model year cars. This could reasonably lead one to believe that these rear ends were being placed in testing well before the June 1912 date. Another question is whether Ford was replacing failed existing rear ends with this new style, prior to the 1913 model year?
Craig: I have never met you and I am no expert.Try to buy the 1912 yourself.On a thread a few years ago Hap and Royce got into a long discussion on Bruces book being incorrect on 1912 manufacture dates. This car is probably a month older.My sorta barnfind #131xxx came with clam shell rearend.Your is 138xxx it probably did also.My advice is buy it and enjoy it.
Month newer I met to say
daniel.......while it's a lovely car I don't want anything that needs to be hand cranked ever again.
I did enough cranking for much of my life in the OLD tractor game.
That's why I wanted the earliest Model T with legitimate electric start and I have one......
Then there's the part about not being able to afford it anyway.......LOL
Looks like the doorpanels are leather versus pleather. Bruce's Black Book says the 12's had a mixture of both. Is there a preferred style of vinyl being used to duplicate original?
While this car didn't make opening bid on ebay I'm thinking the end is near.........
In the words of Paul Harvey....... "Stand by for......NOOSE"......
The car will be leaving for it's destination on Sunday.
If you want to save some of the photos I posted please save them before then at which time I'm taking them down.
If and when the new owner choses to reveal himself I think you'll be amazed where it wound up.......
Hope we find out, probably to one of the guys picking on all the off year parts. Can you tell us what state it's off to?
Now we can all tell him how to keep the car original or how to add all the modern parts. Hee hee
Best wishes to the new owner.
LOL Gene......if I tell you which state the cat's out of the bag!.......
Gene, It's no secret....I did not have a 1912 in the collection, and the car is coming to Flagstaff. The car will remain in its original state...no restoration is planned, with the exception of the addition of a speedometer, a good wooden coil box and the repair of the headlamp. I'm looking forward to driving and maintaining the car.
Excellent! Couldn't ask for a better caretaker for such a fine car! Congratulations Russ!
Mark.......you and I both.......
When Russ called I nearly fainted....... LOL
I couldn't' wait to tell the seller what the deal was and he's very VERY pleased with the disposition of the car.......
I can't wait to meet Russ!
Good job Russ! That is a real nice car, glad you bought it. Kim
Your a lucky guy and congrats. Nice to know the car has a good home!
Wonderful!!! I love a happy ending. And congratulations.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2
Craig, I used to hunt near Montello, WI 40 years ago and there was a model T body hanging from a tree in someones yard. There were NOS parts in a shed and a Brass touring car in the barn (sinking into the ground). Russ will be bringing the '12 back here to Flagstaff and I can't wait to see it.
Montello is about 63 miles south of here.......we drove through there one time a long time ago.......
Russ, if you're coming through Des Moines, IA on the way around lunch or dinner time let me know. 712-301-7172. Glad the car is getting a great home.