Stutzman's and thereabouts

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 11:19 am:

A recent trip to visit a relative near Cleveland took me somewhat near Stutzman's. I dropped of a wheel for Noah to assemble and picked it up later.

The area is beautiful and if you ever near Ohio's amish country its well worth the detour. Nothing like coming around a bend and finding a 9 year old driving a 4 horse drawn hay wagon. Maybe that's why the crime rate is so low - the kids are too busy.

Below is a few pictures of Stutzman's farm. There is none inside the shops as I didn't want to invade their privacy. The GPS took me right to it, but it is in the boonies.

Somewhat off topic but the last pictures are of the front of Snyder's store and finally a railroad locomotive that the state of W.V. runs called the Cass Railroad. The locomotive is a Shay and is unique because of the vertically mounted steam pistons and the driveshaft mounted on the right side of the engine and tender. ALL wheels are driven. A ride up the mountain is cheap and great fun.

If you are in the area, all 3 places are within a short distance of each other and the Cass railroad is fascinating.












Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 04:02 pm:

Hells Bells Bud, If I would have known you were that close I would have met you for coffee or something. I'm only 45 minutes out of Cleveland and 1 hour from Snyder's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnCodman on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 05:33 pm:

Shay's were used primarily by logging railroads. They are low-speed locomotives designed to put a relatively light load that is well-distributed over the light and sometimes temporary logging railroad track. There is one on display somewhere in Blount County, TN.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 08:26 pm:

Dennis

Wish I'd known too. Next time for sure!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 09:31 pm:

Any one interested in Railroads and the history of the Shay Locomotive might look for this book, published and out of print in 1971 "THE SHAY LOCOMOTIVE- TITAN OF THE TIMBER". I was lucky to know the binder and purchased #126 Autographed , if you were lucky and find one today there over $500.00 . I still have a few of the 8 lithographed paintings that are in the book and a few extra new dust covers and extra pages.

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 09:48 pm:

I know it is off topic but for anyone interested here are two links for Shay Locomotives that operated in the district where I have lived most of my life. I remember one of them hauling cane to the Moreton Sugar Mill.

Regards, John Page, Australia

http://www.sunshinecoast.qld.gov.au/sitePage.cfm?code=heritage-shay


http://buderimvillage.com.au/html/old-heritage-tramway-railway.html#.VAZxGig_M0E


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Tuesday, September 02, 2014 - 11:36 pm:

They explained at the railway that each Shay was usually designed for a specific railroad and not many were alike. On our locomotive all 12 wheels were driven and because of the drive shaft and ring and pinion drive on each wheel, the gearing was very low. They could carry very large loads up very steep inclines.

BTW the people driving and maintaining these locomotives are real enthusiasts. They'll talk you ear off about steam if you want.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 12:08 am:

Some people are not aware that there is a chain of islands in Ohio. The largest of these is Kelleys Island. KI had the worlds largest shay locomotive system, servicing the island stone quarrying operations. You can still see track at the bottom of the flooded quarries on a nice calm day. I have several track spikes picked up while there and they are about 1/3 the size of a normal spike, To keep it Ford related, all the limestone to build Henry's home, Fairlane, came form Kelleys Island, Ohio, shipped by shay locomotive to the steamship dock for transport to michigan .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 12:47 am:

There were three main types of Logging locomotives: Shay, Climax, and Hiesler. There one book on each of them, and they form a trilogy. "Titan of the Timbers" is the hardest one to find.
BTW, there's a fourth; Willamette, however most consider it a variation on the Shay, but it was very different on the insides. Only 6 of them are left today.
It has also been said, that while they could climb a cliff, you had to pick up the parts as they fell off during the day! ;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jon Crane on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 02:20 am:

The Shay Locomotive was designed and built by a logger in Cadillac, Michigan. The locomotive works are still there and used for other industrial purposes. A Shay is under cover with a historic marker displayed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:00 am:

Thanks Tim...never knew that about H.F.'s home coming from Kelleys Island! And lived here all my life, spending lots of time on many of these islands. I bet my 88 y.o. neighbor, a K.I. native, doesn't even know that. Have to pick his brain about it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:37 am:

Tim, there is a story of Henry trying to buy the unique staircase out of the. Kelley Mansion , but being rebuffed. ( I lived on the island for several years)

Jon, I'm sure no vintage locomotive expert, but Shays were built by the Lima locomotive works, in Lima, Ohio. 65 of them being built were sold to Kelleys Island Lime and transport co.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jon Crane on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:00 am:

Tim
You may be correct as I am not a locomotive expert either. I just Googled Shay Locomotive(a 20th century verb) and learned:

Cadillac, Michigan also features a Shay Locomotive in a downtown park, in homage to the city's importance in the locomotive's development and manufacture.

Shay was a Michigan logger and businessman.

Can't give the Buckeyes all the credit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dale L Myers on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:53 am:

I would recommend that any car enthusiast going to Snyder's should try to arrange a visit to their museum.
http://www.snyderspecialtycars.com/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 11:26 am:

Dave
There was also the Pacific Coast Shay,the largest one, starting in 1927(or when the T stopped production) and the last of the 17 was built in 1945. There is also a book on them, I have all 5 books. My hobby consists of Model T's (Odd ball types) and Logging Railroads (west coasts).

Bob

Bob


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 11:26 am:

Tim Wrenn, Please drop me a line ; tmorsher@icloud.com. Something out your way you may be note rested in. Thanks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Morsher on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 03:11 pm:

............interested in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 06:07 pm:

Bob

The people at the Cass Railroad said that one of their Shay's was bought from a the San Diego Railroad museum in 1998 and transported to Cass.

It was the Feather River Railway Shay #3


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 08:38 am:

Tim...just did.

the "other Tim" :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ralph Cunningham on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:32 am:

There is another Shay at the Grand Canyon railroad depot in Williams, Arizona


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 05:10 pm:

Lima Locomotive Works did manufacture the locomotive designed by Mr.Shay. However the Michigan Iron Works in Cadillac, MI built six Henderson style Shays.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shay_locomotive


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 12:33 am:

The three Feather River Shays still exist, though only two are running, the one at Cass, and the one on the Sierra Railroad in Jamestown, CA. The third one was used as a stationary boiler at the mill. When Steam ended, that one was cobbled back together with parts laying around the mill to look complete (some parts are brand new, others are wore clear out) and donated to the City of Oroville, and placed in Hewitt Park, where it sits today, a big worse for weather and vandals (and actual parts theives--or one thief).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob McDonald-Federal Way, Wa. on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 11:33 am:

From SHAY Book Construction list, Engine #1 was built in 12-4-1878 and last engine built # 3354 5-14-1945.
Listing includes the Status of all engines,
there locations and ownership's over the years as of 1971.

Bob


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