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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Micheal Crowe on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 04:32 pm:

How much do you put in with 10 gal of fuel?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 05:05 pm:

Not a drop!!Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 05:13 pm:

I use it with every tank of gas, ratio is on the container. I never have any problems from the ethanol.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 05:29 pm:

I use it almost every time I gas up per label instructions.
I add some to the crankcase oil too when I change the oil.
I figure ANY upper cylinder lubrication is better than none.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 05:35 pm:

I have a standing offer to give two Qts of that "snake oil" crap to anybody who will stop here long enough to pick it up. Been about 10 years,and no takers.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John E Cox on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 05:52 pm:

I Marvel at the Mystery of why anyone would waste their money on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill dugger on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 06:35 pm:

Here is a story about Marvel Mystery Oil. My late Uncle worked for Nueman -Fox Ford in Kansas City, Mo. In 1949 he bought a brand new Ford (1949) and drove it from the sales lot to the shop and had a Mystery oiler installed. He would have the oil changed at 3,000 miles (no less-no more) and when the car reached 49,000 he and his buddy (Sparky) pulled the heads to de-carbonize the heads and pistons. For why I did never know. The top cylinders were mic'ed and there was no wear and he swore by the Oil as being the best for a new engine. So I guess that speaks of some good or was it just "DUMB LUCK">
I do not know if he did the same on this 1959 Ford or not. He worked for the Dealer till they closed and then went to a Chebby dealer in Belton, Missouri till retired because of health reasons, and he was a DYED in the Wool Ford person from Model T days to the Ford Falcon or Merc Comet, just not sure. If you started to talk Chebby he would leave the conversation area. Talk about DEDICATED TO FORD, he was one. He was a Fender and Body man. And for years I had most of his tools and still have a few.small items.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 06:52 pm:

Some body shoot me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 07:04 pm:

Back about 1992, we went on a Wheatland HCCA Tour to Colorado. Our '14 would not run worth a darn. We took 2 cars, one ran OK (not real good tho) the other wouldn't run hardly at all. When I got home I tried a new coilbox, coils, timer, carburetor, one thing and another. Nothing would fix it. I finally had the idea that the valves might be stuck. The car was idling and I poured some MMO in the gas tank. Within a couple of minutes, the car was running smooth as silk! If I knew that was what it was going to take to fix it, I would have taken a video to prove the results. I run it in my Flathead V-8's and my pre-16 Buick's. You can bad mouth it all you want, but I will tell you it works. I add about 1/2 c. per tankful. Think about it...how does your valve stems get lubricated if it isn't through the fuel? That little hole in the block don't let enough oil through...in my opinion.
Verne Shirk
Wichita, KS


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 07:39 pm:

Wow, it's been a while since we had an MMO discussion....

I am reminded of the story of the graveside funeral service. The rabbi had begun to speak when a woman's voice from the edge of the crowd shouted, "Give him some chicken soup!" The rabbi ignored her and continued. Again she shouted, "Give him some chicken soup!" Again he ignored her. When she did it a third time, the rabbi paused and said solemnly, "Madam, chicken soup can't help." She answered, "It couldn't hurt!"

In these threads, we generally see exchanges between those who think that MMO helps their engines and those who think that it makes no difference. I have yet to see anyone warn against MMO because it will harm the engine. Perhaps it is chicken soup for the Model T.... :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnCodman on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 07:39 pm:

To Jack, If you lived in Medway, MA I would be by this evening. I'm not going to go all the way to Indiana for a couple of quarts though. Marvel Mystery oil is a great product for certain applications. I use it as a long-term engine protectant. I have also used it on several occasions to free up frozen engines. I once freed up a '33 Buick straight eight by leaving the stuff in the cylinders for a couple of months. I was also successful in freeing up a frozen Chrysler 413, and a Buick 425 with MMO. I'm not sure that it does anything if added to fuel or oil, but it's a heck of a good penetrating oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roar Sand on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 07:59 pm:

My only experience with MMO was that, when in the fifties I bought and mounted a Judson supercharger kit on my dad's VW Beetle.
The kit came with an MMO oiler. So if the manufacturer of the vane type supercharger, in
Conshohocken, PA., thought their supercharger needed the MMO, it must have done some good.
The extra torque, by the way, caused the clutch to slip, so I removed the supercharger, as I was not prepared to get into a clutch replacement.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Warren Webb on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:04 pm:

My father a mechanic since 1948 has put it in thousands of engines and has never had a problem.

Back in the 1960's he had 2 engines one with mmo and one without and checked them after some time the mmo stilll ran good and had no carbon and the other needed work ( carbon cleaned off valves redone). Now that is proof to me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:06 pm:

I didn't know you had those, Uncle Jack! You never mentioned them to me. Save them for me and I'll pick them up next time I'm up that way. :-)

One time I was having trouble with a sticking float needle valve in a carburetor. Several times over, I'd drive for a while and have to stop and tap on the carb to get gas to flow. The next time I filled up with gas, I added a few ounces of MMO to the tank. That needle never stuck again. If it's snake oil, I'm a believer. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:22 pm:

Where's Royce? ;)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:29 pm:

I suspect Royce is LHAO bout now....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erich Bruckner, Vancouver, WA on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:36 pm:

Can anyone tell us what exactly the stuff is made of?

I do like the way it smells.

Reminds me of an old SNL fake advertisement for "exhaust Freshener". They sprayed the stuff into the intake and went back to the tailpipe on hands and knees to get a good inhale. They got big grins and exclaimed "Mmmmm, lilacs".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:44 pm:

I bought a used Judson from a VW dealer. It did nothing on my 1131cc engine with 7.5:1 pistons. I pulled it apart and the vanes were worn on the ends, probably for lack of MMO. I don't remember the oiler, and had no place to mount it for gravity feed, anyhow.


A friend in my 1951 Devin/VW


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Thum on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 08:54 pm:

Jack, I will be touring Indiana in my motor home after the Covered Bridge tour next month. I might stop by and take you up on that offer :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:06 pm:

Warren,

Your posts read like your dad is still around. Marvel Mystery Oil must have been good for him too!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Micheal Crowe on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:16 pm:

Thanks for all the comment. Now I can make my mind up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:24 pm:

Further to my post above, the count so far is:

Helps: 8
Doesn't help: 3
Harms: 0

So there appears to be no reason not to use it....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:34 pm:

I use it too, with today's weird EPA demanded dryers, and stuff added to the gasoline to ward off GlobalWarning, my T's like MMO, IMO.

Does give the exhaust and gas tank a nice wintergreen scent. :-)

Lubing valve guides and valve stems seems the thing MMO does best.



and...every tank gets some of the anti-alcohol stuff too, as some of my T's sit a while in hot garages. Longer storage and draining the carb bowl is done, with additives shown.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:35 pm:

It stinks,bad!Next time I need to add a couple thou to a cearkshaft,I might pour some of it in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:35 pm:

I was in charge of some movie cars in 2005.
One of our T club guys loaned the movie set his Maxwel that had a fresh valve job. I think a 1924.
As soon as it warmed up one valve would stick open. That was so frustrating and every time we moved the car more than a few blocks it would stick a valve, sometimes two.
When the exhaust valve stuck it would run on three, but when the intake stuck it would die right away.
After a few days of that I put a half can of
MMO in the oil and the rest in the gas.
It ran great after that, and never stuck a valve again, at least as long as we used the car.
Maybe a half quart of diesel fuel in the oil would have done the same thing, or some ATF, or monkey sweat or panther piss. Or maybe lighter oil.!?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:36 pm:

It stinks,bad!Next time I need to add a couple thou to a crankshaft,I might pour some of it in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 09:53 pm:

Back about 1992, we went on a Wheatland HCCA Tour to Colorado. Our '14 would not run worth a darn. We took 2 cars, one ran OK (not real good tho) the other wouldn't run hardly at all. When I got home I tried a new coilbox, coils, timer, carburetor, one thing and another. Nothing would fix it. I finally had the idea that the valves might be stuck. The car was idling and I poured some MMO in the gas tank. Within a couple of minutes, the car was running smooth as silk! If I knew that was what it was going to take to fix it, I would have taken a video to prove the results. I run it in my Flathead V-8's and my pre-16 Buick's. You can bad mouth it all you want, but I will tell you it works. I add about 1/2 c. per tankful. Think about it...how does your valve stems get lubricated if it isn't through the fuel? That little hole in the block don't let enough oil through...in my opinion.
Verne Shirk
Wichita, KS


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Dunlap on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 10:39 pm:

I add the MMO and sta-bil just like Dan Treace mentioned. I've done it since I got the roadster pick up from dad a few years ago. He said to add them, so that's what I've done. No problems to report.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hal Schedler, Sacramento on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 11:13 pm:

I use it to oil my air tools. Smells good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P. Steele, Montana on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 11:30 pm:

Jack, bring it to Chickasha. I would be happy to take your stinky MMO back to Montana.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Craig Anderson, central Wisconsin on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 11:36 pm:

MMO STINKS?
I LOVE the aroma of oil of wintergreen........ :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter Claverie on Wednesday, September 03, 2014 - 11:50 pm:

Everybody forgets that Michael's original question was "how much," not whether to use MMO.

Until the last few years, MMO came in a metal can. The Model T fraternity had a measurement based on that can.

The measurement was, "To a full tank of gas, add two Galugs."

Problem is, the new plastic jug with a long spout doesn't Galug any more. Pity.

Personally, I'm with Dan. MMO and Sta-Bil (or Sea Foam, whichever you prefer) at every fill-up.

The amount is more an art than a science -- but isn't almost everything about owning and operating Model T??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 12:02 am:

YOU USE WHAT??


( Stan Laurel Eddie Baker in kill or cure 1923 )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Richmon on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 03:05 am:

I was in the elevator business & when we serviced old escalators we would mix MMO & 30W motor oil together, 50:50 and oil the BIG step chains (6" pitch). Some links which would had rough showing and would be frozen & binding would free up after just 30 minutes of running. We also had an old WW2 generator with a Willy's industrial engine. It was only used maybe once in 5 years. We pulled it out of the shop to use on a job only to find it had a stuck valve. I called the old timer we had bought the generator from & he told me to add some MMO to the gas & oil and it would free up in short order. I did as he said & within 5 minutes it was running like a champ! I'm a believer!!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 06:26 am:

The correct answer is zero. Adding oil to your gas is a great way to lower the octane. Oil in the gas simulates a worn out engine. You will have oil coking on the rings and are more likely to foul plugs. The lowered octane can cause preignition, burned valves, and other problems.

Anyone who believes adding any kind of oil to gas in a Model T is a good idea simply does not understand the facts and physics involved.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wes Nelson ........Bucyrus, MO on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 06:45 am:

...and now a word about water pumps..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Conte on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 08:25 am:

Please!

I just join this forum so please don't ruin it by mentioning global warming!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 08:37 am:

For long term storage there are better options than MMO. A good outboard fogging oil properly installed will do a great job of preserving and engine for long term storage. As far as MMO in the gas as a "top cylinder lubricant"...if you thought you really needed it, a good quality TCW3 two stroke oil would do about as good a job and burn cleaner. Personally, I haven't used MMO in probably 40 years and everything continues to run just fine without it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Noel D. Chicoine, MD, Pierre, SD on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 08:41 am:

Royce, I'll remember that the next time I think about adding oil to my chain saw gas. I doubt adding oil to a T's gas will lower the octane or cause pinging any more than the 60 octane gas available in the 20's. Many years ago, I read an article where they put a 2 stroke on a Dino and increases the oil mixture in increments but also changed the carb jets to get the same amount of gasoline to the engine. The HP continually increases until the plugs fouled. I don't know if MMO or 2 stroke oil helps a T, but I don't think it hurts.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 08:41 am:

My question is if you need to add mm/snake oil to keep your valves from sticking?? What brand and wt oil are you using in the first place?? I know how well the young in a hurry set likes to see our old cars in front of them slowing them down so------------Will a Blue Haze really help?? Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 09:16 am:

Yeh, all those testimonials are bunk. ;)

I prefer ATF; it's a little cheaper.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 09:20 am:

Don't forget to put the oatmeal, pepper, eggs, and bacon in your radiator. It it's really leaky, add some flapjacks and molasses.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Bohlen, Severn MD on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:05 am:

Steve,

Now you've made me hungry and I've already had breakfast......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By JohnCodman on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:16 am:

To Roar, Clutch replacement on an air-cooled VW Beetle is a snap. We used to yank the engines to replace the exhaust system. You can have the engine on the floor (if you have a set of ramps and a floor jack) in 15 minutes. If you can install a supercharger on one, the clutch would be child's play.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:20 am:

Never mind. I'll do it myself. As to MMO: You're just adding lighter oil to the engine than what's already there. In the gas: It doesn't reach valve guides anyway. No way in fact.
Fuel additives? Worked in a small engine shop for years. Want to see a real fuel system mess? Dump whatever junk you're using into a snow blower and forget it. IT DOESN'T DO ANYTHING! You're just using the equipment before the fuel goes bad which it will eventually. On it's own. "I've spent my money and I'll defend that to the death".


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:21 am:

PS: Mike's question has been answered. Zero.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:30 am:

Did you hear the story about the Southern Gentleman with a big old Coon dog that just wanted to sleep all day?

On day the guy began to complain about the lazy dog to a friend. The friend said he had a fix for the dog and put a bowl of gasoline with a bit of MMO in front of him. After a few minutes the dog raised his head and sniffed the air. Then he slowly got up and began drinking the MMO laced gasoline. When he finished he looked around and was getting ready to lay down again when he suddenly started to run around. The dog ran around the barn, up into the field, across the stream, and back to the men. Then he ran in a big circle for about 5 minutes and dropped on his side. The owner of the dog was shocked and asked the why the friend had killed his dog.

The friend replied Ė ďNo problem - He just ran out of gas!"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael Thomas on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:39 pm:

I have been doing the Florida tour for the last 7 years. When we fuel up, I see lots of MMO being dumped in gas tanks, mine included. Now that tour gets over 100 cars every year, and we average close to 100 miles per day. My math tells me that is about 10,000 miles per day total. I can't wait for this year. I can't wait to tell all those guys, that we are all in a world of hurt, according to Royce.... I don't know if they will all blow up at once, or just a few at a time... But it surely is coming... Between the Mayan calendar thing, and then this, I just don't know what I am going to do...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Thursday, September 04, 2014 - 10:49 pm:

Just wait till you see what it does for your Carb.And add my name to the top of the fecal roster,I called it square.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P Noonan on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 12:47 am:

Why so much animosity over a simple gas/oil additive that has been around since 1923 and seems to make its consumers happy and detractors unable to point to one single example of how it actually hurts a motor? I say use what you want, its your motor and your decision to do whatever you want to try to protect it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael R Beary on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 12:54 am:

I have been following this thread and also a vapor lock thread. Today I went to the County Seat town of Albia,Iowa. Bumped into the busiest mechanic around. Asked him what he was up to. Told me he was going after clothes pins to cure vapor lock. I tagged along. I asked him about MMO. He talks a mile a minute. He said it is very good and talked about some of the instances he used it. Returned to his garage and he wouldn't let me leave until he showed me where he was placing the clothes pins on a 58 Ford. Shut the car off without the clothes pins, very hard to get it started if it would start at all. Place the clothes pins around the gas line, the car starts time after time with no effort. He gave me the remaining clothes pins and I am going to snap them on my rerouted line. When I get a chance I will try some MMO.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 01:04 am:

The clothespin trick has been around since dirt was invented. Even longer than MMO. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 01:25 am:

I don't know about the rest of the country, but here in SoKal we must some weird formulation. When I got my T out here and started driving it I started to get blue smoke when it Idled longer then four mins. Chatted with Griff one night and we both came to the conclusion of a stuck ring. The suggestion from Griff was to throw a tablespoon in each bore and let it soak for 3 days, hand turning the engine a few revs. a day. On the fourth day I buttoned it up, Fired it up. After two mins at idle all the MMO smoke went away and haven't had a prob. since. The recommended dose of 4oz per 10gals. is to much for the gas over here and makes the gas weak and doesn't have as much oomph. However I do use 2oz every other tank and no ill effects on drivabilty. Just need to see what she likes. tried it on my modern cars and they both didn't like it,acted sluggish. My T loves every other tankful. Griff's trick definitely worked on my car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Stitt-Southern Oregon on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 01:28 am:

4OZ+* is what I use. Used it for years in VWs. Horizontal valve guides, air cooled and oil cooler blocking #3 cly.
Everyone I ever sold had even compression across the board. Yes it will keep valves from sticking, to that I agree,
I don't think 4-6oz of oil in 10 gallons is going to lower your octane on a low-compression engine.
I tell people if you get drunk you can piss in the tank and get home. I use it and have for over 40 years.

* I use a bit more during hot weather.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 01:34 am:

Actually, I don't think we've had a good MMO debate (argument for some folks) since Reid Welch was still on here. I still miss Reid.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael R Beary on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 01:49 am:

The clothes pin trick may have been around since the dinosaur age but I just heard about it last week. I was in the right place at the right time and got a demonstration. Made my day. I thought I would share it. Also got the mechanic's take on MMO. Killed two birds with one stone. The package of 52 clothes pins cost 1.07. The mechanic gave me 46 clothes pins for nothing. I'm real positive I had a great day.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 06:45 am:

George,

Maybe you should try to get Reid back here! He was certainly a piece of work. An update from the local news on Reid:

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2012/03/comm_sarnoffs_propane_huffing.php


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 08:27 am:

Everybody's got to have a hobby.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 09:11 am:

I am taking a vacation day and my first project is to add 3 oz of MMO to the Gas in the T

Second remove the motor from the A

Third Take the T to Newmarket and get coffee


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 12:07 pm:

Michael R Beary, so exactly where are the clothes pins put to eliminate vapor lock?

I've heard of this trick a few times over the years but never actually saw it in use or saw clothes pins on a fuel line. I assume they become some sort of heat sink like is used on ICs.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael R Beary on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 06:36 pm:

Ken, clip them right on the fuel line with some space between them. Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 10:17 pm:

this may be shocking to some, but i burn free old gas in all my old motors. it comes from a guy that owns several boat marinas, and insurance regs require them to empty the gas tank before it goes into the shop for service. it is a mix of everything, old gas, 2 cycle, new gas, even water. just have a filter/water trap on my barrel and run it with a big smile. just got 200 gallons last week. i will not use it in my newer fuel injected cars, but the tractors and old cars run just fine. am i doing any long term damage? i don't think so. the cars get filled with new gas when i am in town, but run around the country on free gas, and as you may suspect, it stinks like old gas


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, September 05, 2014 - 11:13 pm:

I can remember the old boys talking about MMO when I was a kid, and I thought they were nuts. A few years back, I ran out of gas on a honda 4 wheeler and the only gas I had was about a gallon in a 5 gallon tank that I had mixed for my flying machine, it was over 4 years old, and I figured it might cause the honda to run like crap, but I was 6 miles from the farm and had about 30 minutes work left to do. The gas was mixed 50 to 1 with Bel Ray 2 cycle oil and had no signs of being gone bad. The odd thing is that the honda had been running poorly and would not idle, it needed the en-richer valve opened to start even on a warm day, after driving 1/4 mile, it was idling smoothly and from then on it started easy as well. I thought it was a fluke, so when I got home, I mixed up another batch and filled my wife's honda 3 wheeler as it was running about the same. With in a 1/4 mile it was running great too. Since then I realized that the old timers knew what they were talking about. There are a lot of people that will say that adding anything to gas will ruin the engine, foul the plugs and absorb water, yada yada yada. I know of no case where there were any problems.
But as far as adding Diesel to gas, then Royce has a point, I encountered gas that had Diesel contamination, and in a very short time I had broken rings in my F260 pickup due to detonation.
The important thing it not to add too much, I use 50 to 1 for a first treatment, but not with a full tank on my T, it made a world of difference, from then on, I add the oil at a rate of 1000 to 1, it works better for me than Stabil for keeping the gas fresh (I normally only buy gas once a year)

I would use about 2 oz of MMO in a partially full tank and run it for a few miles and then top it off with alcohol free gas, a couple of oz every now and then when you fill up would not hurt either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roar Sand on Saturday, September 06, 2014 - 08:54 pm:

JohnCodman,
Yes I know. In his teens my son had two VW Beetles. He worked on one while he drove the other and moved one set of plates between them. He had the engines in and out of those many, many times. The problem I had was that we did not have a garage to work in.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Monday, September 15, 2014 - 10:19 am:

I hate to revive this dying Marvel Mystery Oil thread but, I always read online, you couldn't get it in Canada. Can't even find it on the Walmart Canada website. Didn't matter cause I didn't really want it anyway. Today I had time on my hands and strolled through the Walmart automotive section. I found the additive aisle and you know what I was thinking. Is it possible? I glanced over and there it was in glowing red splendor. Should I? I put it back on the shelf and walked away. Halfway across the store, I realized I had to have it. After all the bickering and fighting, glowing endorsements and snake oil comments, I just have to know. Remember, Walmart didn't sell it to me, you guys did. I will be sure to post the results, if you want to hear it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd on Monday, September 15, 2014 - 11:34 am:

I've seen it in True Value hardware store here in Alberta


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 08:02 pm:

I'm not sure if anyone here can take another Marvel Mystery Oil posting. The picture Charlie posted above comes to mind. However, I did say I would give my review of this product. This is the first time I've used it and I put some in my T. You can add me to the list of believers. As soon as the fuel mix reached the carb, I noticed some increase in smoothness. This became much better in about 20 minutes and continued to improve. There was also an increase in power and easier starting. My engine always runs perfectly at all rpms but not smooth like it does now. I'm not surprised. I have used Lucas fuel injector cleaner in modern cars and can assure you that I get the same results. MMO is cheap to run and I'm gonna keep using it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 08:49 pm:

But, Dave, it's not original to a Model T!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 09:08 pm:

Maybe it is. It says 1923 on the bottle.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Lodge - St Louis MO on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 10:24 pm:

My argument inn favor of MMO is that we should buy it for the name alone. Think about it. Marvel Mystery Oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph W. Rudzik on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 01:32 am:

The diesel fuel mix is what my dad would do every third or forth tank in our '54 Buick especially if we were hitting the road. He would mix a 10% mixture, ie if the tank was 20 gallons (as the Buick was) then no more than two gallons. I have done this with my '49 Chebbie truck and the T's. Truck is 17.5 and gets 1.8. The T's get only one.
I don't remember Dad using MMO, but he did add tranny oil to the oil and that works.

Joe R.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 09:42 am:

Pioneer on this Forum, Kent Pusser, retired mechanic and user of MMO, said it was rapeseed oil.

from Wiki:
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In North America, the term "canola" ó a contraction of Canada and ola, for "oil"[6] ó came into usage in the 1980s to distinguish it from the more unsavory term "rapeseed".

"Total loss" chain and bar oil for chainsaws have been developed which are usually 70% or more canola/rapeseed oil. These lubricants are claimed to be less harmful to the environment and less hazardous to users than traditional mineral oil products,[9] although they are currently typically two to five times more expensive, leading some to use inexpensive cooking oil instead. Some countries, such as Austria, have banned the use of petroleum-based chainsaw oil.[10] These "biolubricants" are generally reported to be functionally comparable to traditional mineral oil products, with some reports claiming one or other is superior,[10] but with no consensus is yet evident.

Rapeseed oil is used as diesel fuel, either as biodiesel, straight in heated fuel systems, or blended with petroleum distillates for powering motor vehicles.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 09:59 am:

Professor Marvel. He turned out to be all smoke and mirrors too. At least he didn't charge the totally naive for his services.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 10:13 am:

https://www.turtlewax.com/docs/default-source/msds-english/msds-consumer/marvel- mystery-oil
It appears to be naptha, mineral spirits and a dash of Brake-Kleen.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 11:31 am:

Hydrotex makes a product called Essentialube, I suspect it is similar to MMO. Those who have never used a product like this will scream it is fake and expensive (it is not cheap) But those who have used it will tell you that it works.
Bearing in mind if you have an optimally running engine with high quality lubrication and good fuel, additives are unnecessary (they have already been added to the oil and fuel by the producer) but if you have problems with varnish, paraffin, moisture or carbon, these products will help.
Like Dave Wells commented, with Essentialube, you can hear the change in running when a small amount is added to the oil, but only if there is something wrong.
The experts here will say I am stupid, but personal experience is worth far more to me than someone who claims to know everything.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 11:48 am:

The org question was [how much mmoil do you put in 10 gallen?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 11:59 am:

The original question has been answered in posts that are buried by all the expert opinions that it does not work.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H. Nichols on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 12:26 pm:

Does anyone have any experiences using Rislone for noisy valves ? My late brother-in-law who was an auto mech. from the end of WWII, until his death in 1998, stated that iot was the best thing to come down the road since peanut butter. He was an adherent of MMO.

John
RTFM


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 01:25 pm:

Gustaf,How much MM Oil do You use in 10 gal??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Micheal Crowe on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 03:23 pm:

1/2 cup


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 03:23 pm:

Gustaf, forty years ago we used to use Essentialube for penetrating oil around here. Have you tried it for that? It works great. I don't think there is a dealer for it around here now though. The one we had passed away in the late seventies, as I recall. Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 04:00 pm:

The MMO folks recommend 4 oz for 10 gallon.
1/2 cup is right on.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 05:37 pm:

David, I have always had a 55 gallon drum around, but I found that it only is good for a short time (7 or 15 years, I can not remember which) The last drum I had was 20 years old, so I ordered a new 30 gallon drum a couple of years ago. I have used it as penetrating oil, it works great, the thing we started using it for was to combat paraffin in Diesel oil years ago. My current supplier sells two grades of field Diesel, the good stuff already has the additives, and does not need Essentialube, but once they sent me the cheap stuff, I lost a gear on the tractor on the plow and fuel consumption went up 20%, a gallon of Essentialube in a 40 gallon tank did wonders.

Kenneth, I use about 2 oz in a half full tank, as Fred and Micheal said, 4 oz in a full tank, I am cheap and do not use the additives all the time, but if things are not running smooth, I like to give it the full treatment for a few miles and then top up the tank for a weaker mix.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 07:00 pm:

I just threw some MMO in my Briggs & Stratton lawn mower. It sounds smoother, is running stronger and starts much easier. If nothing else, that stuff has got to be good for the carburetors which is the one part that never gets any attention from me. I also have to think the MMO does something to combat the negative effects of ethanol. It is a good old fashioned product that has been around a very long time. Considering it arrived in 1923, it may have seen more use in the Model T than any other car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wilf Bradbury on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 08:08 pm:

Dave Wells

tried to contact you by E mail, no joy
If you Could spare a moment give me a call in Newmarket at 905 853 1073


























Dave
If you can spare a moment,would you give me a call in Newmarket at 905 853 1073
Regards
Wilf Bradbury


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 08:32 pm:

Wilf - you almost gave me a heart attack when you mentioned Newmarket

I live in what used to be known as S. Newmarket NH but I see you live North of the border

Actually I live north of the Mass border but that doesn't count


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 08:39 pm:

Tuesday I told the boss he needed to put a little of his MMO in the '63 Sting Ray that sat for many years without running.
We got it running about three months ago after cleaning the carb and replacing the fuel pump and filter, etc., new radiator, thermostat, tune up......
We could never get it to idle good.
Today I got there and he said, "Hey, the Corvette is running real smooth now since I put the MMO in it".
So now you know of two more crazy people that don't know what they are talking about.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wilf Bradbury on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 09:17 pm:

Newmarket is just north edge of Toronto
Wilf


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Fischer on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 09:53 pm:

I've tried MMO and can't really say I have noticed any improvement in engine running. But I keep using it because the fuel shutoff valve is easier to turn !

Some of my cars sit for quite a long time between being run - maybe 2 or 3 years. But I've never had a problem with stale gas. Maybe that's because of the MMO ? Hadn't thought of that possibility until reading this thread.

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 11:03 pm:

Wilf , I just saw this now. I will call you tomorrow. As for MMO, I'm not going to try it in my brand new truck. In older carburetor stuff, I think it really works. If any of us really knew, it wouldn't be a mystery.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 11:37 pm:

Two reasons this debate will never end. 1: The people using this stuff think their doing some thing but can't prove it. 2: The people not using this stuff know that the people that are aren't changing any thing but can't prove that either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P Noonan on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 11:52 pm:

Charlie, so aside from the gun in your mouth, what camp are you in?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 12:08 am:

The pic is because this subject comes up so often. I won't add any thing like MMO to any machinery I own. Fuel or oil. It does nothing. Period. Except it possibly has the power to cloud men's minds. Add it to your oil you're just adding lighter oil to what's already there. End of story. Add it to your fuel and it goes directly out the tail pipe. Mixing it with the fuel does not lube valve guides. That's delusional. It doesn't happen. I've been in this business professionaly long enough to know that if your engine runs better with MMo in the tank you're probably stuffed full of wild blueberry muffins which is as far as I'll go here as to descriptions. "I use it and it works great!" 20 million don't and that works great too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 07:30 am:

Charlie B,

Agree totally. You can't come up with any logical reason to use the stuff. There has been snake oil, and snake oil salesmen since the days of Roman chariots. Why do they thrive? Because people fall for the BS.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:38 am:

I agree Charlie, the debate will never end for the reasons you state. However, most if not all who have tried the stuff have noticed a worthwhile improvement but probably don't know why. Those who have not tried it certainly know nothing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:45 am:

John Wayne had a very hard life.
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Explain this: it takes only a sprinkle of vanadium to make vanadium steel. Refiners use only a small amount of detergent to raise octane.

A small amount of MMO or other additive can have a profound effect on gasoline.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:53 am:

Good point Dave. There is something that happens, I know that I have had two Hondas that were due for a trip to the shop, and because I used Belray oil in on e because I was out of "clean" gas, the first ran like a charm, and 13 years later is is still running great and has not made a trip to the shop yet. The second was treated with the oil on purpose, and it is the same.
I like Royce's John Wayne comment, it is so true. His quote "You can't come up with any logical reason to use the stuff" shows how ignorant some people can be.
Charlie's comment "The people using this stuff think their doing some thing but can't prove it." is the same, I have personally seen added oil work and several occasions, and when the older engines start to show signs of fuel related problems, I add the oil and they go away. I also have witnessed 1 gallon of gas in a 5 gallon container not going bad in 4 years at the same time that a full 5 gallon can of gas turned to stinky brown varnish.
There is something about poor quality gas that is improved with additives, or the gas companies would not waste time adding them to their gas before they sell it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 12:41 pm:

Useable 4 year old gas? Sorry. Not buying it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 02:15 pm:

Tried it. Got smoke.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 02:37 pm:

Charlie, I am not selling it, I am stating fact. That is why I add a gallon of belray oil to every 1,000 gallons delivered. I store gas for up to two years with out degradation since I started. The gas that was 4 years old was what was left in the gas tank on my powered hang glider, I had set in the barn for four years since I had flown it last, I am pretty sure that no elves came and replaced the gas during that time as I kept the building locked.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 03:12 pm:

Royce, you must have poured in too much if you were getting smoke otherwise we would all have smoke, there's no escaping that fact. You know, I never believe in any of those additives but, when lot's of people say that stuff is good and nobody says it's bad with any real example, you just have to try it. Well, I never tried it until now but, I can tell you it works. For Canadians who want to try some, I'm now seeing it in a few Walmart stores so, you should not have trouble getting some. I'd sure like to hear from a few more drivers who are trying it for the first time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 03:15 pm:

There are those who claim that MMO (or other brand additives added to the fuel) will lubricate valve stems/guides, however I have a problem with this,......I can see how the intake valves stems would be lubricated as cool fuel/air mixture (with MMO) passes by the four intake guides, however, exhaust is a very different thing in that only fire and hot exhaust passes by the four exhaust guides. I suppose there is always some beneficial oil vapor in the entire valve chamber, however, I believe that oil vapor exists in the valve chamber with or without MMO or any other type of additive,......???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 05:30 pm:

Harold, I have made that same claim, but it is purely speculative on my part, I do not understand why it helps, I just know from experience that there is something going on. I do believe that there is some unburned oil in the exhaust, that is the same way that you would get top end lubrication from lead additives as well. I think that the real benefit in modern gas is that the oil ties up the alkali used in modern gas production. There is something different about gas now from about 40 years ago, and the alkali seems to be the biggest possibility. When gasohol first came out, it made my vehicle perform better with out any bad side effects, but in the past 40 years, the performance is poorer with gasohol and vaporlock is worse as well as degradation of the gas in a short time.

One important thing when adding any oil type gas additive is to first mix it thoroughly in at least a gallon of gas before pouring into the tank, as some (BelRay is an example) do not mix well to begin with and the unmixed oil will settle to the bottom of the tank and from personal experience, a T does not run well on straight 2 cycle oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 06:13 pm:

Well the trouble is the folks that say it is no good can produce no evidence for their case.
Folks like myself that have used it dont exactly video tape our efforts.
So just what kind of proof would some of the naysayers need to see that it works?
The best thing that ever happened to my old station wagon was when the diaphragm in the modulator valve went bad and I had to drive it about a 100 miles pulling transmission fluid thru it. Ran much better after that.
The detergents in the fluid musta decarboned the pistons or something.
The Rislone thing, just thickens the oil a bit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 06:16 pm:

I just thought I would say hello...I didn't want to be left out of the longest thread on the forum.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 06:28 pm:

If anyone say's it works good. If anyone say's it's snake oil good.The question was how much do you use in 10 gal?? I said not a drop yet i have had a can for maybe 20 years.Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 07:10 pm:

By saying "it works" I guess you tried it and your engine didn't immediately blow up????

My problem with this sort of nonsense is simple. Model T's run fantastic without this garbage. Utter cluelessness on the part of anyone who believes in this.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 08:29 pm:

The last time I drove my T Hack was in June of 2011 to the Petit Jean Swap Meet. That is also the last time the gas tank was filled. Being the ignorant cobbler that I am I always run very light 2 cycle oil in my gas. After reading this thread I went to the shop and guess what? I took the gas cap off and looked into the gas tank with a flashlight and I saw a 1/2 tank of clean very slightly blue gas. I turned on the gas to the carb, hit the starter and the car started right up and did not sputter, cough or stumble! I double dog dare you nay sayers to fill your T's with the crap that passes for gas today and let it sit for 3 + years and have them start right up. Count me in with Gus!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 08:56 pm:

I have been using 2 cycle oil in several engines for 13 years, I am not sure how soon "immediately" is but none of my engines have blown up yet, and I am thinking immediately has long since passed. From what Royce writes, the reason his engine smoked was because it blew up, but I would guess he did not properly dilute the oil before adding to the tank.
Anything that will keep modern gas from spoiling in a few months is great, but something that will keep it good for 3+ years is phenomenal.
Anyone who has had an engine blow up like Royce, it would be good to hear form them, otherwise, those who claim that this will not work with out even trying are just choosing to remain ignorant of the facts. I have no problem with someone who does not want to try it, but for them to say that it does not work and that my personal experience is of no value when they have no experience has little sway with me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:10 pm:

To come clean the reason the tank was 1/2 full is that I filled it after the swap meet and start it every couple of months and sometimes drive it around the block to the keep it in in good running condition. So in 3 years I have run 1/2 a tank of fuel out of it. I kind of cheated as I knew it would start tonight on 3 year old gas.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Peter B. Ratledge on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:43 pm:

Gentlemen,
All these posts are funny.I am with Dan Treace.
I use Sta-Bil and Marvel Mystery oil in every
tank of gas for two reasons.The first is the new
gas is junk and the second is I'm running a five
ball carb in my 1911 T.If I do not use the Marvel
Mystery oil in the gas the balls will STICK


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 09:47 pm:

"Model T's run fantastic without this garbage."

Most of the time, they do. But with vehicles which sit for long periods of time, today's gas often will not let them do that.

"Utter cluelessness on the part of anyone who believes in this."

Many folks who have used MMO for many years have stated on this forum that they believe they can see an improvement in their cars' performance. Many others have stated that MMO lengthens the useful life of today's gasoline (myself included). Those who are naysayers either have not used it, or can't tell a difference. I can believe them as well.

No one who has spoken out against MMO on this forum has had a negative experience with it, except Royce, who "got smoke." Go figure.

We have lots of positive reports from folks who have used it, and one negative report from Royce, and several negative opinions from folks who have not used it and think it's "snake oil."

Absorb this information and do with it what you will. I rest my case.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 10:04 pm:

There is another benefit. On tours you will see folks beating on the sides of their carbs to stop them from leaking. I have not had to do that since I started using a little 2 cycle oil in the gas. Just sayin.......


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Friday, September 19, 2014 - 10:16 pm:

Wonder if Royce added MMO to his gas & oil..... or ingested a few ounces >>>>???? Got smoke ???? LMAO !

Bob Jablonski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 12:52 am:

Hey Paul, I remember shutting off my gas valve when ever I parked the T, but I have not shut the gas valve off for nearly two years now, I never connected the oil in the gas as having an effect on the leaking carb, but that sounds like it may be an explanation. It sure is nice not having to crawl under the car twice every time I drive it


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mack Cole ---- Earth on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 08:58 am:

Maby Royce's T was trying to give him a break and blow some smoke for him? :-)

It may boil down to the fact that cars that run everyday may not benefit from it whereas cars that sit alot will.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 10:49 am:

I am guessing this is sort of like having a rabbit's foot on your key chain. The technology and physics involved are identical.

So you are going to believe that oil in your car's gas tank caused gas to quit leaking? Seriously?

Mike, I am not saying it was negative smoke. Quite the opposite, I was able to positively prove the effect of Marvel Mystery oil. I encourage anyone to demonstrate an effect of Marvel Mystery Oil that is positive other than the ability to make smoke.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 11:41 am:

It's quite rational to connect a problem free float valve operation with some oil mixed into the fuel. A small around of oil mixed into the fuel is all the oil a two stroke engine ever gets, so it can be quite effective.
I've had no problems with the float valve in my unrestored NH for 300 miles, so the other day I didn't bother closing the fuel valve for just a little stop at the corner store - 10 minutes later I came out to a crowd around my car looking at fuel floating from a flooding carb. It stopped promptly when I smacked it with a wrench, but with some oil in the fuel it's less likely the float valve would ever have been stuck. (I'll try a Tillotson first before experimenting with additives)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 02:37 pm:

Roger,Not all two stroke engines are/were the same!If you look at Detroit Diesel from 2-53 to 16-149 you will find oil pans with many gallons of oil!Step it up a notch and EMD used up to 20-567's!! Because of polution standards i do not know if any are being procuded in the USA or anywhere now?? You can bet they will still be in use 100 year's from now!I had several but my favorite was a 12-71 in my 35 ton AC dozer at 458 HP!!!!!!!!!Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Owens on Saturday, September 20, 2014 - 11:41 pm:

Did Royce say he was getting smoke out of his rabbit,s foot?
What I do not understand if Royce is so against MMO why did he try it? Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 12:30 am:

I have a hard time understanding a mind so closed that it is blind to learning or at least accepting another view point! ..... Oh wait, that is what was in the news tonight from the Middle East.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 12:42 am:

I forgot to add that "The technology and physics involved are identical". LOL


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 07:21 am:

:-) :-) Your point of view is only valid IF I agree with it.

Otherwise don't shakeup MY world!!

If Henry had invented MMO everyone would be saying that it is the greatest thing since the Model T.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking too it no matter what you think you know!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Knoll on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 08:20 am:

I broke my ARM sliding on slimy concrete going downhill on my motorcycle in AMIO, SANTA CATALINA, NEGROS ORIENTAL,PHILIPPINES on the ninth, and though I have nothing bad to say about MMO, if I find the !@#$% who poured it on that cement I will kill him ! Now I have a $1300 Titanium plate made in china in my shoulder....... I have a strange longing for Chop Suey !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 09:29 am:

Paul,

I have an open mind if there is a valid argument for it. I did try Marvel Mystery Oil and proved it had no benefit in making a fresh rebuilt Model T engine any looser.

If there is any valid physics that indicate a benefit to dumping oil, wintergreen and red dye in the gas of a Model T, share it now. So far we have only had anecdotal stories that are the equivalent of rabbit's foot type proof.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 09:37 am:

Just to clarify a few things. MMO is not an oil. It contains no oil at all. While the ingredients are made from crude oil, the same as gasoline, MMO doesn't contain a drop of oil. It is 100% solvent based. The primary ingredient is naphtha followed by Stoddard solvent. This can't possibly do anything to "improve' gasoline or oil. All it can do is reduce the designed functions of the compounds by thinning oil and reducing the BTU output of gasoline.

One doesn't need to go to the sun to prove it is hot. Scientific evidence does so. Just as the contents of MMO proves there is no benefit to using it and that it contains no oil.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 09:58 am:

Maybe if your running roofing tar instead of oil the thinning might help?? Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bud Holzschuh - Panama City, FL on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 09:58 am:

I don't think I'm a believer, but thought I would search out data. Couldn't find any double blind studies carried out by a reputable research organization, but I did find this on a forum about oil: (has anyone on this forum conducted their own tests ? maybe we should!)
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I'm now using Marvel Mystery Oil in the gas, carefully mixed at 4 oz per 10 gallons.

Now here's the test I conducted. About the time I got my Jeep 4 months ago I became interested in MMO due to good reviews here and elsewhere, so I started sporadically adding a little to gas now and then. Over time it became my perception that the fuel gauge went down faster without Marvel in the tank, so I started adding it consistently. I then decided I needed to do a more controlled test to see if I was wasting my money or not. Here's what I did.

With MMO added to the gas, I ran three complete tanks of fuel. My routine is very consistent and is a mixture of city and highway commute driving. I refueled at that exact same Phillips 66 station, used the exact same pump, and filled the tank on the lowest flow setting and removed the nozzle as soon as it clicked off the first time, no top offs. I considered this the best way I would be able to get a consistent fill without variation. It has been beastly hot this whole period so AC use has also been consistent, as well as tire pressures monitored. All calculations were done using the trip odometer and actual fuel used.

All three tanks with MMO netted 18.1 to 18.3 mpg. This is for my 04 Grand Cherokee 4.0 I-6 4wd.

I then refilled the exact same way and ran a tank without MMO. I got 15.96 mpg. Nothing changed that I know of than the MMO being excluded.

I didn't consider a single tank a conclusive sample so I ran another. That netted me 15.56 mpg. I wonder if a little MMO was still in the system the first time, as I dropped another .4 mpg on the second tank without it.

At that point I'd seen enough so I refilled and added MMO. Here's the real sweet part, a full 20 gallon fill of gas only takes 8 oz of MMO which costs a whopping $1.33. At + 2.5 mpg on 20 gallons thats another 50 miles, or $10.22 worth of gas in these parts, so even after deducting the MMO I pocket almost $9 a tank. I'll take that deal anyday!

Why does it work? I'm not really sure, MMO claims it improves combustion and lubricates the fuel system. My suspicion is that it's helping overcome that [censored] ethonal the govt is making them put in my gas. Note: MMO recommends 4 oz to 10 gallons and more is NOT better, in fact I plan to experiment with a little less on down the road.

I don't know if it will work for you but it is for me and I'm now introducing it into my other vehicles. No I don't work for MMO or anything like that, I'm just trying to help my fellow BITOG'ers save a buck. I know a lot of you are already using MMO, but those are my results as best as I can document them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 10:44 am:

There's too many variables included with MPG to be scientific. You would need to prove all the conditions were the same. Weather, temperature, speed, number of stops, same gasoline, same route, same engine speed, same rate of acceleration, AC on/off, and same load. It can't be done from the driver's seat. You're 04 GC has a data connector under the dash. Did you connect to it and log the data during these "tests"?

Thinner oil will give you better gas mileage and a peppier engine. As will changes in weather and temperature. What MMO cannot do is raise the output of gasoline. What it might do is clean some of the crud from your injectors and give a better spray pattern. Injector cleaner will do that. It's a solvent too.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 11:14 am:

OK, adding a gas additive to a freshly rebuilt engine is not the smartest thing to do, as most of the gas additives help when the engine has been exposed to problems in the fuel over a period of time. When I experienced the benefit of 2 cycle oil in one engine, I assumed it was a fluke, so I tried it in another with he same results, and then another again with the same results. I have used this oil gas mix in 8 different vehicles, 4 gave me the same results, 2 were similar and two showed no change. One must bear in mind that all had been exposed to the same quality of gasoline over the years and would have had similar problems.
I have never done a mpg test like Bud, but I would have to believe that an engine that runs smoothly will get better economy. Essentialube is the product we have used for 50+ years to keep injectors clean, and it makes a noticeable difference, especially when the Diesel is of poor quality.
I think the most important point here is that some snake oils have real value and those of use who have seen improvement want to share it with others who might benefit from it. In my own experience, 25% will show no benefit but 25% showed modest improvement and 50% showed remarkable improvement. I also have several vehicles that I did not bother putting the additive in because, like Royce's car, they would see no benefit from it.
My advice to those who are thinking about trying MMO or 2 cycle oil, listen to those who have some real experience, ignore those who have no useful experience. It is not expensive to try for yourself, you do not have buy the product in large quantities like I do (unless you find it helps and you want to save money by buying in bulk)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 01:02 pm:

I don't care if it is snake oil, diesel fuel, paint thinner, cleaning solvent or horse piss. you can buy it in a container and it makes some engines run better.
I can take time and risk trying a little cleaning solvent or some other chemical to see if it solves the problem. I just know after several months of the poor idle on the Corvette the MMO smoothed it out and the Corvair lifters shut up in a couple of minutes.
And the Maxwell never had a valve stick open again.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 03:46 pm:

Hey Royce, I do not think any of us think you should consider using any type of product other than what you want to, it is the fact that you insist your one time experience is more important than hundreds of other experiences, only because you do not understand how it could work. Truth be told, I do not understand how the webernet works, but I am not going to tell anyone that it is fake and they are stupid for using it. I do not know why 2 cycle oil does what is does for me, just like I do not understand how the webernet works, but they work so I use them. Your negative rhetoric reminds me of the atheists who insist that any one with a religious belief (other than theirs) is stupid.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 05:37 pm:

Hey Gustav,

If you want to keep adding oil to your gas it is your decision and your money to waste. You cannot come up with any technical explanation that justifies it. Making a personal attack instead of presenting a valid technical argument does justify your wasted money.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Jablonski on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 05:41 pm:

OK Royce, respond with documented technical information to support your claim, which doesn't include your opinions..... and this is not a personal attack, just asking for documented proof. Thank you form your research.

Bob Jablonski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 06:10 pm:

Yes Bob, I already have. For your benefit I will repeat it in simpler terms using less complex words and sentences.

Four stroke cycle engines (the Model T Ford engine is a four stroke cycle engine) do not use oil in the gasoline like a weed whacker two stroke.

There is a valid technical argument for using oil in the gasoline of a two stroke cycle engine. The oil in those engines lubricates the cylinder walls and the crank shaft. Without oil in the gasoline those weed whacker two stroke engines seize up.

Conversely, a four stroke engine has its lubricating oil in the crank case. Oil is not mixed with the fuel. The piston is equipped with an oil control ring, this keeps oil from entering the area above the ring. The valve guides are responsible for preventing oil from entering the combustion chamber around the valve stems.

Oil in the combustion chamber of a Model T or any other four stroke cycle engine is unwanted and harmful. It causes stuck rings, detonation, and plug fouling in extreme cases.

I hope this helps your confusion on this issue Bob and Gustav.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 06:11 pm:

Royce, does everything you do require a technical explanation before you will do it? If so you lead a bleak and empty life. I would have to guess that you have no opinion about the different types of toilet paper unless you can read on the MSDS the chemical composition of the paper rather than which one is smoother on your back side.
It is also a bit hypocritical for you to be offended when you are compared to some one who is stupid, when you make a blanket comment that implies that everyone who does not agree with you is stupid, or have you already forgotten the John Wayne post?
One could go further by asking if you change oil on your vehicles? If so, why? Do you have a technical document that says it helps? I know a neighbor who put 180 thousand miles on his farm pickup with out once changing the oil (that is probably equivalent to 500 thousand city miles) that would lead me to believe that changing oil is a waste of money and harmful to the environment. I change my oil regularly because I believe it is better for the engine, but I never notice and improvement in performance, so am I stupid for doing that too?
You keep saying I have to have a technical explanation for it to work, but you are wrong, I can tell it helps. I have had one carburetor in the shop in the last 13 years, it was a mechanical failure, not related to fuel or crud, but in the years prior to that I averaged two in the shop a year to have the varnish boiled out.
As John Wayne says on your post "Life is hard, life is harder if you are stupid" But life is easy if you are able to learn, and most learning experiences we have in this life involve a life experience, and not a technical data sheet. As Bob says, give us some technical facts or at least quite calling everyone who you do not agree with a doodyhead


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 06:44 pm:

Gustaf (sorry for typing Gustave above, it was a mistake)

I can't say that you are stupid, and I have not. I bet you are a smart guy at what ever it is you do for a living.

Read this and see if it answers your question about oil changing - I've posted it perhaps a dozen times on this forum in the past.




Ford recommended a "Light" grade motor oil for the Model T Ford. Here's a 1930's oil can to demonstrate that SAE 30 was considered a "Medium - Heavy" oil, too thick for a Model T.


I recommend a 5W-30 oil for most people. If you live some place like Saudia Arabia or Death Valley where ambient temperatures are no lower than 25C / 80F then you might step up to a 10W-30.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 06:59 pm:

Royce,
do not worry about the spelling, that was the way my grandfather spelled his name. I recently changed from 30 weight to 10-30, I think you might be right about the lighter oil and I will drop to a lower weight at the next change. The only difference I noticed with the change from 30 to 10-30 is the car is harder to hold in neutral with the 10-30.
The comment about oil changes was related to modern cars. A T is different due to the lack of oil filter. A modern car with oil filter can be run with out changing the oil by just changing the filter and adding oil at intervals, I have seen it done, but do not have the balls to try it with one of my vehicles.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 07:18 pm:

Something interesting to read on 5W/30 oil if you google www.synlube.com 5w
starts of with the statement of
2% better fuel economy and upto 30% shorter engine life.
An interesting read.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 07:20 pm:

In reference to oil fouling rings: the 2 biggest items that kill 2 cycle equipment are 1: mixing too much oil with the fuel (ain't more bettah?) and 2: not running that piece of equipment at wide open throttle. Referred to by manufacturers as WOT. (It'll last longer that way won't it?). The result, oddly enough, is that the slower operation causes the unit to get hotter than it's supposed to because the cooling fan is turning slower. It runs hot and the excess oil gums the rings and clogs the exhaust port with gooey soot. Compression departs and she's a-no start. Don't tell me you can't over use this stuff because you can. Ask Red Max, Stihl and Husquarvana if you think I'm talking out the wrong end. It doesn't belong in a 4 cycle. Anywhere.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 07:42 pm:

Dan - Chop Suey is not a real Chinese dish so you probably got a knock off of a Chinese knock off, which means your screwed for the rest of your life.

It you find that you are hankeri'n for some live eels in soy sauce with wasabi your close to having a regular Asian life.
Other wise you are beyond any kind of normal help and need to try live blood suckers in rice balls.

Beyond that I can't help you

.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willis Jenkins on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 08:24 am:

If you're using MMO and you feel it is working and gives you piece of mind, then it is not money wasted.

If you used MMO and feel it did not work nor was there any benefit, then it is money saved.

Plain and simple.

Willis


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chuck Hoffman - Gold Country of Calif. on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 01:53 pm:

At age 73, I feel as healthy as a lot of people who spent their lives eating seaweed and avoiding coffee. I guess if they think it was beneficial, it's no skin off my nose.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Willie K Cordes on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 04:48 pm:

After reading all those posts, I think I know why Royce is the only one with the smoke problem.
The problem is not the MMO, he has a water pump locking up and the belt is slipping and getting hot. (SMOKE) Fix that water pump Royce and the smoke will go away.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 04:58 pm:

I put Sta-bil in my Marvel Mystery Oil to keep it fresh!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 06:47 pm:

:-) :-) :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R. S. Cruickshank on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 07:12 pm:

Now that we have hashed through the MMO saga for a month, lets try another. Has anyone else used a product called SEA FOAM? I use it in all my 2 cycle and 4 cycle small engine garden and yard equipment. I no longer have the problem of carb failure due to storage over long periods of time. I have used it to start neighbors equipment after they tried unsuccessfully to start them after storage. I will start using it in several of my T's because I tend not to use them as often as I should. The STUFF works!!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 08:10 pm:

Sea Foam LOL!!!!!!!


Again, a product that cannot possibly do all the things it promises. It may do something - I suspect the best thing it does is to take your money.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael R Beary on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 08:44 pm:

This has been a great thread. May continue to be! Every time I thought the thread had run it's course or someone had gotten the last word-----wrong! This has been a must see thread for me. I like debate and both sides have passion for what they believe in. Fantastic!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Hood on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 09:02 pm:

It's all in the name!

It's a Marvel that it can do all that it claims, it's a Marvel that it can't possibly do all that it claims, it's a Marvel that its been around for a hundred years, it's a Marvel that you all have argued back and forth for nearly 150 posts.

It's a Mystery why It seems to work for some people and not for others, it's a Mystery why some will use it while others will never use it, it's a Mystery why those who won't use it get so upset when someone says it works for them, it's a Mystery why you all are still arguing about it.

Let's talk about e-timers!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 10:11 pm:

Good, Jeff.

So much heat; so little light.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Joseph Geisler on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 12:18 am:

I want to thank you all for all of the incite. LOL
I am now going to start using the MMO. I have bought it about five years ago and wondered if it worked as claimed. After hearing all you guys have said I'm sold.
You all hardly ever agree on anything when I have time to read the forum notes. And it is a hoot while reading them.
On the Sea Foam I do not care about what other's have to say at all. IT WORKS!!!! Plane and simple. I worked 1100 miles away from Branson for 15 years of my marriage. Driving each way. Sometimes I had to rebuild my engines and had maybe 2-3 days to break them in. (NOT BRAGGING)! I did it. 4 times. Most of my cars I bought or could afford to buy had over 100,000 miles on them. Dragging a trailer both ways carrying my tools and car parts for restoration was hard on engines. Sea Foam always helped mileage and performance. there were times that i did not use it and one could definitely tell. So when you all slammed Sea Foam and new technology that is what SOLD me on the MMO. This is just my take on the subject. But it comes from a heck of a lot of experience. I also remember STP in the 60's I lost three engines using that stuff until I found out how the racers used it! Every race they removed their oil pans and cleaned it out. If you left it in the motor it held everything in suspension. It was crap! Then the new Slick 50 came out. With a guarantee if your engine died using it they would pay to repair it. They did not and I and a few others lost engines and their claim was all LIES!!!!
The Sea Foam works. All of my engines that I have built and or rebuilt do well when I use it every 3 months or so.
I will not argue this with anyone!
I want to thank everyone for their input on this forum. I read them all here.
Thank you so much


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 08:03 am:

Royce

I'm not familiar with all the products Sea Foam sells but will attest to one that I know works.

My GMC pickup had gotten to the point that it would not maintain speed on the interstate with an open trailer and T on it. Set the cruise for 65 and within 30 seconds it would drop out of overdrive on level road.

I bought a product they sell that requires you remove the intake hose, install their nozzle, re-install the intake hose, start the engine and spray 1/2 a can in it at a fast idle (takes about 10 minutes). Then, it tells you to remove the nozzle, start the engine in a well ventilated area and drive aggressively. It will push black smoke out like a diesel in a hard pull.

Bottom line, when completed I loaded my TT on the trailer and pulled it to Michigan. It held overdrive for the entire 650 miles with the exception of two grades. There is no way it would do that before. Heck, before it wouldn't stay coupled on a level road.

I believe it was called "top end cleaner" or induction cleaner.

My truck was so bad I though the cam had a couple of flat lobes. Say what you want about Sea Foam products but I have direct experience with one and it works. I don't know about the stuff you pour in the tank.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 08:50 am:

I am somewhat of an expert on Sea Foam because of all the years I spent at the beach.

Sea_foam_.jpg sea scum 2.png sea scum 3.png

Sea foam, ocean foam, beach foam, or spume is a type of foam created by the agitation of seawater, particularly when it contains higher concentrations of dissolved organic matter. These compounds can act as surfactants or foaming agents. As the seawater is churned by breaking waves in the surf zone adjacent to the shore, the presence of these surfactants under these turbulent conditions traps air, forming persistent bubbles that stick to each other through surface tension. Due to its low density and persistence, foam can be blown by strong on-shore winds.


I would never, ever, ever, put anything like that in my modern - never mind my Model T.

Where are the environmentalists when you really need them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roar Sand on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 10:10 am:

Gustaf,
You and the Swedish king, Carl XVI Gustaf, spell it the same. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 04:58 pm:

Hey Roar,
We are not related though:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Prideaux on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 05:08 pm:

An Australian perspective. This is a forum discussion about two stroke oil in diesels ( Nissan Patrol is similar to Toyota Landcruiser )

http://www.patrol4x4.com/forum/general-patrol-discussion-17/2-stroke-oil-your-di esel-fuel-37562/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 05:34 pm:

Hey Russell, that is an interesting read, we do not used any road Diesel anymore, but when we did, we noticed the problems related in the article. Everything on the farm now uses off road Diesel but it has had the sulfur reduced in it as well and we are seeing similar problems. We have used Hydrotex Essentailube for decades for paraffin problems in injectors and pumps, and it seems to help with the other problems as well.
I do not use MMO, but I am sold on Belray 2 cycle oil. My T was running rough the past few weeks, and I thought it might just be because it was cold, but then I remembered it had been spring since I added Belray to the gas. A few gallons of 100 to 1 mix and it is running smooth again, but it is probably my imagination:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roar Sand on Wednesday, September 24, 2014 - 03:36 am:

I was concerned about the lubricity of low sulfur fuel as well, so I started using Stanadyne fuel additive in our 2004 Dodge Ram with a 5.9 liter Cummins. I can't speak for the effect on durability, but I noticed that the engine noice was reduced. I'll have to try 2-stroke oil and see if it is cheaper.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By B. Riley on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 12:29 am:

MMO is made to give lubrication qualities to the fuel, and will burn cleanly at the recommended dosage. 4 oz to 10 gallons is a 320:1 ratio. Should not lower octane significantly, but if someone is worried, a small amount of octane booster can be added, preferably MMT.

I've been using it for 30+ years, in gasoline engines, and get very long life from my engines. I do notice smoother running, and long life for emission control parts, including catalytic convertors.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 12:55 am:

Oh boy, here we go. MMO now fixes your exhaust system. :-)

What ingredient in MMO do you suppose does that? The naphtha or the paint thinner?

Somebody will have it charging batteries and keeping light bulbs from burning out pretty soon, I suspect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 07:36 am:

I think this can of worms is well past it's expiry date.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ron on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 07:47 am:

Only if someone says they use MMO to lube their e-timer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 08:45 am:

Like the X-files talking point is so famous for: THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE SOMEWHERE-----MAYBE?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 08:55 am:

If any of you are familiar with the 4.0 ford engines in the explorers you know that the lash adjusters tend to stick in these and rattle especially if the oil is not changed on a regular basis. Last week my wife's 02 explorer started clicking really loud, this engine has in excess of 200 k so not many options other than changing out the adjusters, big job on these. The solution was an oil change with 15-40 rotella and one quart of MMO. With in a day and a half the noise had all but gone away, I believe the wintergreen oil is the trick in this stuff. We used to talk the corpsman out of wintergreen oil years ago in the Navy to use for a penetrating oil. MHO KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 09:08 am:

Perhaps it was all the solvent that just cleaned all the crud out of the lifters and made that Rotella thinner. My 4.0 Ford says to use 5w30 oil. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 09:44 am:

BTW, this thread has reached a staggering 167 posts. I wonder if that is a record? I think I will send the link to Marvel Oil Company. They would be proud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 10:51 am:


Rislone anybody? This was in a pile of auction plunder I brought home last summer. Do I need it because their regular oil isn't good enough? Maybe a few ounces in my tank will make my Vietnamese tires last longer. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 10:57 am:

Post #169. Steve, I would mix it with MMO and post the results. That should keep us going for a few more weeks.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 11:09 am:

The mystery is whether or not the Marvel oil helps or hinders. It is obvious that it doesn't cause harm, but not obvious that it does good. The only way it could be tested would be two identical cars with identical loads and driven at identical speeds over identical courses. Of course, that is impossible, because even cars which appear to be identical have some structural defects which may be hidden.

If a Model T "pings" it is because it is running extremely hot and is about to seize. The compression on a standard T is so low that it does not need high octane fuel. MMO will not cause an engine to ping.

Anyway, if you like to use it, it will not cause a problem and if you don't use it you will not have a problem unless the problem is caused by something else.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Stewart -Calif. on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 03:07 pm:

I put a Tea Spoon's worth in my coffee every morning. It keeps my knees from squeaking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Brian Holcomb, Watertown WI on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 03:49 pm:

Steve,
Pour it in the 1 gallon pail hanging under the eve of the tool shed. the when something that is shiny needs to stay shiny you just haul out the pail of "Mystery oil" and slop some on with the remnant of a paint brush that lives in the bucket! When the plow goes back in the shed for instance. any unidentifiably pure oil, or any time a container of oil is opened around here, it drains in the bucket.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kenneth W DeLong on Wednesday, November 19, 2014 - 03:56 pm:

Mark,I'm glad to here that! My Wife said it would make my fart's smell minty!! Bud.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 02:08 am:

I think the last time we had a long MMO thread was when Reid was still here. Anyway I use MMO and it does seem to help my car and it runs very well. I was having a sticky rings issue after the car was pulled out of long storage, Griff said try it and let it soak for three days. It had worked for him on an old pick up he was working on. solved my prob. and I use 4oz every other tankful.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 03:05 am:

And don't forget the helpful tip that I contributed on the last Marvel Mystery Oil "discussion":

A little shot of Stabil in your jug of Marvel Mystery Oil will keep it fresh!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 03:12 am:

I think you're right George! I'm sure that Marvel Mystery Oil will lend a pleasant fragrance to those stinky rings! ;>)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Manuel, Lafayette, La. on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 08:29 am:

No No No ! Don't drink that stuff!! My uncle tried it and had red runs for three days---went back to STP after that!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry Davis on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 09:20 am:

I've added outboard motor oil to the fuel in my T's and diesel truck for years. At 187K my truck runs as it was the day I bought it (02) and my 26/14 run's equally well. The mystery oil thing tells me that any burnable lubricant is welcome to today's dry, highly refined fuels.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H. Nichols on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 09:38 am:

Steve,

My brother-in-law was a mechanic from since before WWII ( P-38's ) and always swore by Rislone for stuck valves. I used it once and valve came unstuck and never had trouble with that engine, until the timing gear went out.

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 11:25 am:

I think MMO, 2 cycle oil and a bidet are very similar, in that people who use them, swear by them, people who are afraid to use them (or use them incorrectly) swear at them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 12:16 pm:

We used Rislone in the 50's and 60's to free up stuck hydraulic valve lifters. If you put in fresh detergent oil, substituting a quart of Rislone, for a quart of oil,the lifter nearly always freed up.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, November 20, 2014 - 12:49 pm:

On our last Club tour, I was talking with one of our members about today's gasoline. He is a retired petroleum engineer. He said he adds some kerosene to his gas, because today's ethanol-gas is "too light" and the "heavier" kerosene improves it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael J. Chudobiak on Thursday, November 27, 2014 - 10:23 am:

Today I learned that MMO is 1% lard !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, November 27, 2014 - 11:12 am:

There's a good joke in there somewhere. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 11:02 am:

Really?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 11:55 am:

The MSDS is available online, no lard. Reading the accident report in the link above is laughable. With compression readings ranging from 5-44 over 80 on a leakdown test (all getting past the exhaust valves) I seriously doubt the ability to blame it on MMO. Even if you're not a fan of the stuff there is no way that burned 4 exhaust valves in the amount of time he had. To execute a forced landing from 1200 feet means he was basically in the traffic pattern and had been flying less the 5 minutes.

My guess would be (if those numbers above are accurate) that this airplane needed some attention before it took off.

Detonation would occur with some red farm diesel but not a mix (17:1) of MMO. Assume for a moment that the can was a one gallon can added to the 18 gallon tank. That would not have reduced the octane rating enough to cause the detonation. We are talking about an airplane rated for 80/87 fuel and didn't require the 100LL that was in the other tanks. Didn't happen, they got it wrong.

Just because we see it on the internet and in this case, came from a govt source, doesn't mean its true.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 12:38 pm:

Hey Gary, I would think that a 17:1 mix of MMO and gas would be a possibility to be a problem, but the real concern is that the oil was added to the tank and then filled with gas, or even possibly the oil added after the gas was put in. This could have resulted in a much higher ratio of oil to gas reaching the carburetor. Any good product when used wrong is going to have the potential of doing damage. If someone gets smoke from using MMO, they are using it wrong.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael J. Chudobiak on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 12:59 pm:

Well, the MSDS refers to 1% "Chlorinated Hydrocarbons". I suspect it originally was lard, or a mix of lard oils and parafins.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael J. Chudobiak on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 01:01 pm:

Hmm, link formatting didn't work. Here's the less fancy version:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=QhWgKgiT6FoC&pg=PA136&lpg=PA136&dq=chlorine+in+l ard&source=bl&ots=p2qK1a-zZT&sig=hMP2idTavVtZ3lh4HYoDkzdvqCg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=h7Z4V PWPI7SKsQS1uYKwDA&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=chlorine%20in%20lard&f=false


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 02:04 pm:

That one doesn't work either. It says I reached my view limit; whatever that is. ????

Chlorinated hydrocarbon could be just about anything including the "minty" smell some claim. The FAA report was 12 years ago and it doesn't match the current MSDS. MMO is just a solvent with a minty smell. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 02:18 pm:

The fuel would have to be burning really hot when the exhaust valves opened to burn them. That means really slow burning fuel, or more likely, badly retarded timing.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Michael J. Chudobiak on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 02:22 pm:

Arghh... one last time, here's a screenshot of an article on lard oil for lubrication which is sort of interesting:

http://i.imgur.com/RMkkQg4.jpg


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary Tillstrom on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 02:34 pm:

My experience with burnt valves is as Ricks states, late timing or the valve being held off the seat.

A 150 HP supercub developed problems upon reaching 1200 feet means that was less than 2 minutes from pushing the throttle up for take off. To burn all four valves that quickly I don't buy. Seen too many of them and it takes much longer than 2 minutes under every scenario. Even if you use the dilluted octane theory, we're talking about an engine approved to run on 80 Octane. Assume the can they found was only a quart, then it would have been 68:1. Didn't happen like they wrote it.

If you like MMO or not doesn't matter. This is like blaming a poor paint job on a water pump.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By A. Gustaf Bryngelson on Friday, November 28, 2014 - 11:22 pm:

Another thing that will burn valves is too lean mixture.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Garrison on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 12:53 am:

I've got an unopened can of MMO out in the shop right now. Every once in awhile when I get around to it I take it outside and set it in the backyard. We've not had an earthquake since I started doing this. Now that's some pretty wonderful stuff. I think as an earthquake deterrent you can't find better. When this can is gone I'll buy another one and I wont open it as well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 08:36 am:

That's funny, Mike.

Michael - That article is for machine cutting fluids. I've used a mixture of lard and diesel for cutting fluid when in a pinch. It has nothing to do with engines or it would cover zinc additives. In fact, the last covered in the article is Molybdenum Disulfide which happens to be a Model T mag killer.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown North Central Arkansas on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 10:17 am:

Damn, this is one long thread .:-) :-) Does anyone have a Marvel Mystery Oiler for sale .?? I want the one that uses the old style MMO can as the resivoir and mounts to the firewall. If some one has one Ill install it on my Speedster. I have always been a "problem child" so I guess using MMO is expected from me :-) :-) I guess MMO should be added to the "do not speak of list" Water pumps, What oil to use, E-Timers,and now MMO . :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 10:30 am:

Hey Donnie...

Pay attention!

MMO, adding ZDDP, and adding SEA FOAM have always been on the water pump list...:-):-):-):-)

Maybe you need one of those shower wall dispensers for liquids added to your firewall...:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George_Cherry Hill NJ on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 10:43 am:

Oh what the heck...thread drift since someone brought up lard...

Do you know that the toilet paper tube almost didn't happen? (yeah, they are trying to eliminate it now).

Toilet tubes are spiral wound...the engineers and techs of the time thought they knew the in-feed angles of the paper against the mandrel...the tension required...the best thru-put speed...but the machine kept jamming with NO forward progress for days on end!

Each day, they had their lunch food delivered from the local tavern, delivered by a young kid. Finally the kid brought an extra bag with him one day and boasted that he could fix the problem if they let him. A bit of a guffaw and a 'sure kid' and he took a lump of lard out of the bag, wiped the forming mandrel down, and told them to feed the paper...the rest as they say, is history!

(True story, archives of The Langston Company, the guy who held the most patents on spiral winding machinery)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Alan Margrey on Monday, December 01, 2014 - 04:34 pm:

Wow, I canít believe I just spent the time to read this forum?
Micheal asked how much MMO to 10 Gal. of fuel.
If someone needs help, Help! ?
I caní understand if you canít help with the Question why
So many need to apply there negative opinions and jokes
Like a bunch of vultures quick to jump in for lunch?
Is it that hard to start a forum just to gather up opinionís and
Jokes.
I just joined this club. My first impression was when I tried to
Buy a motor in the Classifieds and could not get a return on my
E-mail I sent and no phone number was posted after a 3 day wait
I gave up.
Now I see this post and look at it to see what the answer would be
And I canít believe all the BS that was laid out just for a simple
Question. What is this Club all about ?


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