Oil change reveals metal particles

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Oil change reveals metal particles
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Curtis on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 04:35 pm:

How much metal stuck to the drain plug is acceptable for a car that won't see any long tours? This came out of the engine in my 25' Touring that I just purchased, with a fairly low mileage rebuild. The engine runs pretty quiet even with the spark fully advanced. The one solid piece looks like a tooth off of something. Any opinions or ideas would be appreciated. Thanks - Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 04:45 pm:

It all looks like babbitt to me. I'm sure you know where that comes from.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 04:47 pm:

Take a propane torch and see if it melts you will know for sure then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 05:28 pm:

Do you have a transmission screen? Put a magnet there too and check after a while. If no foul sounds are heard, then no big worries when touring with a cell phone to call for help should anything happen..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 05:50 pm:

If a magnet picks it up, it is steel or iron. If it is more silver in color and not picked by magnet, it is babbit. in any case, you need to find out what it is and correct before you have more problems. Very small silvery particles are normal wear, but large chunks like in your picture don't look good.

Do you have contact with the previous owner? Ask if he had any problem with anything such as the starter? Those could be parts of the starter bendix or flywheel gear. If you use the starter with the key off and just crank over the engine, do you hear any noise that the starter gear makes? Like a clicking or grinding.

Anyway, if it were my car, I wouldn't drive it until I found out what the pieces are.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 05:59 pm:

That is sure a whole bunch of "stuff" to be floating around in "a fairly low mileage rebuild" ! Damn !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 07:28 pm:

I would check to see if there is a warranty on the rebuild before I would take anything apart so you don't void it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 08:36 pm:

I wouldn't wait for it to make noise. It'll be too late then. If it is babbitt, failure could take out the crank too. At least drop the inspection cover and check a few rods and mains.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 08:44 pm:

I would take it back to the rebuilder.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Putnam on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 09:04 pm:

That tooth is from the starter bendix. It is a part that holds the counter weight. The indentation is where it was swedged to hold it in place.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank van Ekeren (Australia) on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 10:06 pm:

That babbitt looks more like the remnants of pouring and machining, maybe not a good job on cleaning before assembly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Tomaso - Milton,WA on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 10:11 pm:

Dang, you got good eyes, Jack !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Tuesday, September 09, 2014 - 10:50 pm:

I was thinking the same thing as Frank about the babbitt scraps.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 12:22 am:

That large piece looks like it came off the ring gear. Was the electrical system converted to 12volt ??? I've got a story for that.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 07:37 am:

Agree with Jack - debris from poor cleaning by the engine rebuilder.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By john kuehn on Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 09:32 am:

Cleaning up blocks, pans and etc is a must in any engine work.

This happens even today with new engines in new vehicles.

It happened to me in my NEW 2010 Toyota Tundra PU.

At 347 miles the check engine light came on and after taking it back to the dealership it was determined that the blocks in the factory weren't cleaned up properly after they were machined.

There was a blog that developed and they were more than a few that this happened to.

The debris caused problems in the internal sensing system of the engine.

A free oil change seemed to clear things up.
40,000 miles later and so far so good.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 09:40 am:

I spent a night with this in my mind and this picture is possibly what your piece might be. It is part of a removable transmission band ear. and the other parts are parts of the band lining and hopefully nothing else of importance. Take off the transmission inspection plate and check all the bands. If the low and reverse have been shifting, it could be from the brake band. If you have auxiliary brakes you might not have noticed it when you stopped the car. Anyway, take a look at the end of the attached picture and see if it might look like your piece.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 02:04 pm:

Jack, that's what I was thinking, maybe someone accidently got their heel on the starter button while traveling, have seen it happen. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Curtis on Wednesday, September 10, 2014 - 04:32 pm:

Thanks for all the input. I feel better about the babbitt slivers now. It's still 6 volt, but I'll take a look at the starter bendix though. Norman, the bands were recently relined and seem to all work properly. I will take the trans cover off and take a look in there as well.


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