Old Photo - Overseas Street Scene

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Old Photo - Overseas Street Scene
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Wednesday, September 17, 2014 - 11:26 pm:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 02:44 am:

Looks like a english speaking country from the "tobacconist" sign and looks like a RH drive country but the license plate doesn't look like US or Canada.. I wonder if it's from a movie set where a foreign license plate was added to make it look foreign?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dane Hawley Near Melbourne Australia on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 05:50 am:

The 'AA' badge (Automobile Association) suggests U.K. Perhaps a member from England can confirm the license plate number. In England each county had their own letter/number combinations IIRC.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 06:06 am:

Now that I think about it - UK T's were LHD from the introduction of the generator in 1919 until they could come up with a fitting steering bracket for the RH side in 1921, so there were quite a lot of LHD T's in england - though this one looks to be a non electric 1918 to early '19 with the wishbone over the axle. Plus it's been parked on the wrong side of the street?
Maybe the US troops coming over for WW1 didn't bring just ambulances with them?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dane Hawley Near Melbourne Australia on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 06:15 am:

I am not sure that your reference to RHD is correct, Roger. Canada was producing RHD from very early on, and I have seen many photos of U.K. T's and all have been RHD, even very early brass ones.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 06:29 am:

Yes, they produced RHD T's from some time in 1909 up until october 1919, but the generator feature was so interesting for the customers so they preferred a generator over sitting on the correct side for their traffic. The Canadian factory came up with a solution with the generator on the LH side of the engine driven by a flat belt, but it didn't work well, was only used briefly in 1920 and never in England, I think. RHD wasn't introduced again in England until january 1923, I see when I check one of Hap's fact filled posts. By the way, RHD was never popular in Sweden even though we drove on the LH side up until 1967. Narrow roads and few oncoming cars made it more important to kep control over the distance to the ditch than the distance to oncoming vehicles, I guess?

See Hap's answer here for more info about variations in english produced T's: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/331880/390066.html?1379858392


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Thursday, September 18, 2014 - 08:44 am:

Roger, thank you for the kind words. A short answer (from Hap?) as I need to run to work.

1. According to page 186 of Bryan Goodman’s “American Cars in Prewar England” [thank you John Biggs for sending me that book!] Sussex (West) England used BP in front of their numbers. Based on that there is a good chance the license plate in English and from Sussex.

2. Note the car has hinges on the left hand side front door. A US car would have a false door there. Both the Canadian and UK cars had a door there.

3. I’m 85% sure I see the lower door hinge on the right front door. Only the UK produced the standard looking Model T body with a false left front door and that was during the time they had steering wheel on the right hand side and it was changed Oct 1918 to add the opening right hand door even though the steering column was still on the right side. Ref page 229 “The English Ford Book” with photos of both styles on page 134.

4. The left hand drive was introduced Sep 1919 – for starter and non-starter cars (page 229 of “The English Ford Book).

5. The fender side lamps were not introduced until late in the year 1919 (page 229 of “The English Ford Book).

Questions:

When did Ford UK stop using the above the axle wishbone?

When did Ford UK stop using the horn button attached with two screws to the top of the steering column?

Always so much more to discover.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


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