More Model T treasures found in a garage

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Sunday, September 21, 2014 - 10:16 pm:

Here are a few pictures of some T parts we found while cleaning out a garage.
1- accessory aluminum skinned door & panel.
What year did they use it on ?



2- interior picture of door.



3- 2 accessory T shocks.



4- an open valve T block #35060



Next Saturday I will post more pictures of more "T" treasures.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Trevan - Australia on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 12:21 am:

Stuff one dreams about -----Bing the rest on Scott and let me envy you .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 01:02 am:

Scott-
The fore-door looks to me to be an aftermarket door for 1909-1910. The bead across the center matches the bead across the center of the back doors of cars from that era. Is there a driver side too? Are there any marking on the under side of the door?

Here is a car with these fore-doors.



: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 06:34 am:

Hi Keith,
There is only the passengers side door.I will check for markings under the door tonight.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Barker - Dayton, OH on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 08:58 am:

If the block number is correct, according to Bruce McCalley's "Model T Ford: The Car That Changed The World", it was a blue touring car built on January 3 1911.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Watson -Florence,Colorado on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 03:27 pm:

Scott,
Cool find on the Door,now all you need to do is Build a 1909 Touring around it

Do you know who was the Lucky one who got Tom Stewart's car?

-Don


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick J. Gunter on Monday, September 22, 2014 - 09:15 pm:

Wow, and I thought there were no open valve blocks left to find.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 05:47 pm:

Keith,
I couldn't find any markings on the under side of the door.There is still some paint & primer on the under side.Where should I be looking,& for what type of markings.
I will send you some pictures.
Don,
Yes I know who the lucky one is.I will post a picture of the car & the new owner,when I see them this weekend.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Tuesday, September 23, 2014 - 07:58 pm:

Scott-
Here is the number under my fore-door:



Beaudette (Pontiac) body number B 18928

The digits are 1/2" tall.

There may be some other markings stamped into the wood pieces inside, hidden under the upholstery too.



Here's my original upholstery.



Although your doors are aftermarket and did not come with the car, they could have been made by one of the companies that manufactured bodies for Ford. There also were a few of companies that made aftermarket fore-doors for 1911 cars as well, but the distance of the opening from the dash to the arm rest is a different size and shape from the 1909-1910 bodies.

Here is my finished fore-door upholstery:



I look forward to your pictures.

: ^ )

Keith


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Thursday, September 25, 2014 - 11:05 pm:

Here is another treasure from the garage.What year is it ? It is missing the aluminum cover.What do they look like ? Are they hard to find?
Keith,
I am sending you the pictures of the door.It is different than yours.The bottoms & sides are aluminum,with aluminum mounting lugs.
Don,
I sent you a message.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, September 26, 2014 - 02:17 am:

The usual tapered type inspection door on the hogshead was introduced in june 1911. Before there were various designs with first square, then rectangular inspection hole covers. What do you mean the aluminum cover is missing - there is a cover in the picture?
Here's the description of the evolution of the hogshead from Bruce's encyclopedia: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/S-T.htm#tran2

Haven't got Bruce's 1994 book nearby with all the pictures, someone here will recognize if this is the wider square february-june 1911 design used after #37300.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Kramer, Woodstock, Ontario on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 06:37 pm:

Roger,
There is a cover in the picture but it appears to be home made. Just had a quick look at Bruce's book and the square cover looks nothing like any of the ones pictured. Still not sure if this is the wider later one or the narrower earlier one either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 09:13 pm:

I thought the cover should have Ford script(?)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Saturday, September 27, 2014 - 10:22 pm:

It should have a stamped steel cover like this:



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Kramer, Woodstock, Ontario on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 09:57 am:

Thanks Royce now we'll know what to look for at Hershey


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 10:30 am:

What does the little piece of sheet metal attached to the cover's rear crews do? Seems to go into the brake pedal assembly.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 10:57 am:

Brake light contact.
By the way, I think the pan was redesigned to be wider around the flywheel at the same time the transmission cover got wider in early 1911, so if the cover fits on a 1911-27 pan, it's the latest widest square style.

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(Message edited by Roger K on September 28, 2014)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 11:59 am:

I see it now :-) Thanks Roger!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 06:41 pm:

Check out the pictures of the last treasure we bought from the garage(we will post better pictures once it's out of the trailer). The 1909 Model T Ford belonged to the late Tom Stewart. Tom was one of the people who got me interested in Model T Fords,at the age of 5. Tom was a great Model T person & friend. He had owned this T for over 62 years. It was made in Ford,Ontario. It has Chadwick headlights & parking lights. The T is #4032.
Tom's entire estate was purchased by one gentleman. He was interested in the antique trucks & tractors. A long time friend Ross H. saw items being loaded on flat bed trailers & stopped in to see if anything was for sale. He asked if the 09 was for sale, but the price was too high, so he bought some T parts. He called me, but I wasn't home, so he contacted my son Christopher, who inturn got hold of me.
Yes the price was to high for me, so I asked him about the 1906 Cadillac. It was priced fair, so I purchased it. I thought about the T for 3 days & made the gentleman an offer of what I thought the car was worth. After several days of negotiating we arrived at a price that I thought was OK.
When I got home I told Christopher that I had bought the 09. I asked him if he would like the deal of a life time? Would you like to buy half of the car. You know what the answer was. Now Tom's 09 T has 2 caretakers.
Scott




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 07:20 pm:

WAY TO GO SCOTT AND CHRIS!!!!!!
It nice to see that this car has only traveled about 4 miles from it's last home, and that it is in very good hands of a good friend. Since I'm only 500 yards away,I'll visit often :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 07:28 pm:

Not to steal Scott's lime light here. There are some interesting facts about this car: It's history can be traced back to almost new, if not new. Tom bought it off of two brothers who painted houses for a living. Every time they painted a house, the extra paint left over went on the T, preserving it in a thick shell of paint! The two brothers bought it from the family who Tom believed, purchased it new in Ingersoll, Ontario. Tom told me this story many years ago.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 07:50 pm:

Scott,

Congratulations on your new 1/2 of the T! I know you and Chris will give it lots of TLC. After the weather turn cooler and you aren’t driving it as much, would you please post additional photos of the unique Canadian features? I.e. in addition to the vertical seam on the back of the rear seat, I believe there is one on the back of the front seat also. And if you see a body maker number or letter? Do you know if it was covered in any of the previous Model T Times or Vintage Ford articles? If not, I would think it would make a great “show and tell” for either magazine.

Again, congratulations!

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 08:53 pm:

Hi Hap,
The body maker letter or number is it located under the front seat area ?
Another interesting item,is that in 1967 (Canada's centennial year) the antique car clubs had a tour from British Columbia to Nova Scotia.
Tom drove this T from coast to coast,without to many problems.
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Clayton Swanson on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 09:15 pm:

Scott, love the T roller in your profile pics, that is swell!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Sunday, September 28, 2014 - 10:16 pm:

Hi Clayton,
The T roller was built in Beachville,Ontario(about 2 miles from my home) in 1923 from a kit made in Monroe Michigan.You had to shorten a Model T car frame,use the narrowed rear axle,put the chain sprockets on the brake drums,mount the round steering plates under the front end,hook up the steering column & install the drive & steering chains,and you where ready to go.But you have to be carefull,its top heavy.
It was made by the Dunham Water Roller Weight Co.(I think I have the name right).Has anyone seen another one like it ?
Scott


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jim Kelsey on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 12:48 am:

Congratulations, Scott! Would you mind posting a pic of the Cadillac, too?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 07:13 am:

Scott,

I do not know for sure where they would have put the body number or "if" the did normally put a body number on the early Model T bodies. We do know that in 1912 that the Canadian supplier was stamping a G and number on the wooden front seat frame in front of the tank -- like the USA cars were done. It most likely would have been a body from Chatham, Ontario produced by Gray [various names from Gray Carriage works to finally Gray-Dort Motors]. They stopped supplying Ford of Canada with bodies sometime around 1912. We know of one well documented 1912 slab sided touring that has the "G" letter stamped into the front wooden seat frame.

Again, congratulations on your new Ford!

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Darren J Wallace on Monday, September 29, 2014 - 07:33 pm:

I spotted Scott in the Caddy on the weekend :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Christopher Kramer, Woodstock, Ontario on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 03:59 pm:

Here are a few pictures of our newly acquired 09 I took earlier today.












Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 04:23 pm:

Christopher,

Thanks for posting the additional photos of the Canadian T. I'm looking forward to what you discover is different between it and the USA produced bodies & cars. The chassis should be about the same with the wheels being produced in Canada and 30 x 3 1/2 all around. But the body with the vertical half-round on the back of the front and rear seats is clearly Canadian. As you have time please share any other Canadian items you spot on the car. And of course -- if you find a body number on the front seat frame in front of the gas tank, please let us know.

Thank you again for posting the photos -- beautiful car!

Respectfully submitted,

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Scott Kramer on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 08:04 pm:

Hi Jim,
Here are a few pictures of the 1906 Cadillac Model K.I bought this car first,before we bought the 1909.The running gear is all restored.The fenders & hood have to be painted.The body is all wood & needs to be painted also.The motor is a 10 HP.,the piston & stroke are 5"X5".Right hand drive & chain driven.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 08:54 pm:

Nice! Tulip body runabout. I love it!
Thanks for adding these photos.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


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