Early Hub Wrenches

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Early Hub Wrenches
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick J. Gunter on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 08:20 pm:

Someone has two early hub wrenches from the Model T tool kit on eBay now. The first one is the early 3 hole version. The description for it says it is a “Perfect reproduction Model T wheel wrench.” The wrench in the photo is painted but it looks like it has light pitting beneath the paint. So, my question is: has this wrench been reproduced? Or, has this wrench been “made” by welding pieces of wrenches together and grinding the edge? The surface looks suspicious to the left of the small hole. It is smoother, more pit free than the rest of the wrench.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Model-T-Ford-Early-Wheel-Wrench-/161432841014?pt=Other_Vehicle_Parts&hash=item259625ab36


The other is the Weston-Mott hub wrench that was rumored to be included in the 1910 Model T tool kits. My question: Is there any proof that this wrench was issued in the 1910 tool kits? Does this wrench appear in the 1910 parts book?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Model-T-Ford-wheel-Spanner-Wrench/161431986533?_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20131003132420%26meid%3Ded629f28f19b4158ad12dd10f0b15f67%26pid%3D100005%26prg%3D20131003132420%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D161432841014&rt=nc

Bonus Question: Was a hub wrench issued in a tool kit for 1909?
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Verne Shirk on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 11:19 pm:

I would have thought the Weston-Mott wrench was standard on Buick and perhaps some other GM products too. Weston-Mott manufactured axles for Buick and was later bought by GM.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Watson -Florence,Colorado on Tuesday, September 30, 2014 - 11:56 pm:

Second wrench is Very Hard to Find and Yes its Model T

-Don


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John F. Regan on Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 12:53 am:

I believe the first wrench is "made up" by modifying the more common later 4 hole wrench that is similar on one end to the earlier wrench.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 05:44 am:

John Regan has pictures of all versions of the 1349 hub cap wrench from 7/11/10 up at his Fun Projects site:
http://www.funprojects.com/pdf/ARCFX7.pdf

The second wrench doesn't look like Ford - the half round feature looks like a wrench for water pump packing nuts, but only the first 2500 had water pumps - with hex shaped packing nuts? But a similar wrench has been pictured in the 1911 parts catalogs according to Charles Little in this 2008 thread: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/50893/69528.html?1224885495


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Larry Smith on Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 11:59 am:

John is probably correct, as I haven't ever seen an early wrench with any kind of a symbol. Who ever did the one pictured did an outstanding job.
Another way to tell is to look at the sides to see if they have been filed. There were at least two different companies that made the Weston Mott type wrench.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Paulsen - McPherson, KS on Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 11:48 pm:

I agree with Verne. The Weston-Mott wrench pictured above fits my father's 1913 Buick Model 25. It fits the hubcap, front spindle nut, and the two pins at the top are for the outer cone on the front wheel bearing. I have the same wrench, just larger for my 1913 Buick Model 30.

These wrenches have also been rumored to be for Curved Dash Oldsmobiles.

They may be for early T's and CDO's too, but Buicks have axles marked Weston-Mott.

Chris


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rick J. Gunter on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 07:56 pm:

Thanks everyone for the input. If I remember correctly there a discussion a few years ago about the Weston-Mott wrench. Someone said that Ford purchased these because one end fits the hubcap. The other openings were useless on the Model T. And the name Weston-Mott does not appear on the Ford wrench. I would still like to see it listed in a parts book. Were there Model T parts books in 1909-1910? I've never seen any. Was a toolkit included in 1909?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By R.V. Anderson on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 08:10 pm:

Scan's a little skewed, but you can see it in the lower righthand corner. I didn't want to stress my original January '11 parts book any further to stuff it squarely into the scanner.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 08:18 pm:

Yes

Tools came with the new Model T in 1909:

From Bruce's work:

TOOLS
Supplied with the car

Note: The design of Ford-supplied tools changed through the years. While the same part numbers were used, all of the same number were not necessarily exactly alike.
1909-1913
T1349 hub cap wrench. T1387 adjustable wrench. T1902 screwdriver. T1903 pliers. T1904 spark plug wrench. T1917 wrench. T2336 tool roll. T2337 oil can. T2338 tire pump. T2340 tire iron.


From my Sept. 1912 (Fifth Edition) Parts and Price List:





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