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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Friday, October 03, 2014 - 08:27 pm:

Hi Folks. I'm new here and would like to introduce myself and my new 1913 Depot Hack. I haven't brought her home yet but I'll try and upload a picture if I can figure it out. Thanks!
OK, so I can't figure it out. When I click on Upload Attachment nothing happens. Help!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Aldrich Orting Wa on Friday, October 03, 2014 - 08:36 pm:

Welcome aboard!

Pictures must be less than 200 KB to load to this site.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Friday, October 03, 2014 - 08:47 pm:

Thanks! My pictures are much to big. I'll see if I can figure out how to reduce them.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Friday, October 03, 2014 - 10:02 pm:

It took me longer to figure out how to post pictures than it did to restore my last car. There is an app called SimpleResize that I was finally able to figure out how to use. After that it was just trial and error before I figured out how to post on the Forum. As you might have guessed I am a dinosaur in the computer age.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Friday, October 03, 2014 - 10:06 pm:

Pics need to be under 194 KB.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 12:17 pm:

Thanks everyone. I'll work on those pics. It's a very unusual hack body with bent oak frames and yes, curves. Maybe someone will know something about it's origin.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 12:18 pm:

Here is a pic of Bill's depot hack, resized to under 194K to fit on the forum.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 01:33 pm:

That body is WAY cool! Do you know how old it is?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Richard Eagle Ida Fls on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 01:37 pm:

I really like the curve at the bottom of the body. That should be a fun car. Welcome to the group William.

Rich


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 01:48 pm:

William - Really nice depot hack! Gotta' believe that body was built by a professional coach maker, what with the curved panels and all. I have a habit of usually clicking on the profile of new names that appear on the forum, mostly to see if there's a photo of the Model "T", but also to see where the person is from. Yours was a real surprise when I read Blakely Island! We're sorta' "neighbors" as we're "part-timers" on Lopez Island right now! Small world, huh?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 03:02 pm:

Thanks Everyone. I'm pretty excited and I'm looking forward to meeting some of you and of course getting some direction and advice. I'm told it's an original depot hack from 1913 but don't know yet who built it. I was hoping someone would recognize the style and have the answer. I was told it came out of the Harrah collection. I haven't started it yet but I'm sure it will run. Harold, next time you're on Lopez let me know and maybe I can get you over here for a visit.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 03:04 pm:

Thanks Mark for getting that picture up for me.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 03:24 pm:

You're welcome. I use a program called Corel Paint Shop Pro X3 to edit and resize pictures. There are other programs available for free, search the forum for "resize pictures" and I'm sure some threads will come up where folks have called out which free programs they use to resize pictures.

If you do find a program to resize pictures, a resolution of 150 dots per inch and a width of 6 inches works well most of the time.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 09:45 pm:

I thought it might be an original body from "back in the day." It's not often that folks would go to that much trouble these days. I hope someone recognizes it and can tell us what company made it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P. Steele, Montana on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 09:54 pm:

What a cool body! It would be neat to know if it's an original, not that that makes any difference. I have never seen that curved body on a T Depot Hack before. William you picked a great T to start your affliction with!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Saturday, October 04, 2014 - 10:06 pm:

John P. -- Your buddy Uncle Stan, the ex-English teacher, will be all over you for using a preposition to end a sentence with. :-)

The only other body I've seen which curves in at the bottom like that is an "Omnibus." There is one which has been on several tours the past few years. It's a '15, and it is really nice! Maybe someone here kept some pics of it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 08:23 am:

William, you have a real piece of craftsmanship there. Can you tell if the curved timbers are bent to get the curve, or are they cut from a wide plank? Steam bent timbers would make for a much sturdier construction, and the work done to create your bodywork would suggest that would be the case. Curves cut from planks will have an inherent weakness across the grain in such a tight curve. I would be interested to know how the body was constructed.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 10:56 am:

Allen, I've had a bit of boat building experience myself. These are steam bent white oak frames. I haven't brought her home yet but when I do, I'll get some better pictures!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Haynes on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 10:57 am:

Those bodies were made 25-30 years ago. They are very attractive and well made, but it is a reproduction.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 12:49 pm:

Allen, I've had a bit of boat building experience myself. These are steam bent white oak frames. I haven't brought her home yet but when I do, I'll get some better pictures!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 01:24 pm:

So Dan can you tell me any more about these bodies? Who built them or where? If it's a reproduction then perhaps the car wasn't originally a depot hack? I'm finalizing the deal and bringing the car home in the next couple of weeks. The engine number is 1514148 which doesn't correspond to a 1913 model. Could the car be a collection of parts from different models? Is this a bad thing? What things should I be looking for. This is my first Model T and I could use some help.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 02:32 pm:

William - Don't take the word "reproduction" as a bad thing; in fact, I'm not sure that the word reproduction is quite the right word here. And if it IS the right word, I guess my question would be,....reproduction of what? Ford never built a depot hack during the Model T era. If you wanted a depot hack, you bought a Ford chassis and then took it to a coachmaker, or bought a wood body from one of the several body builders of the day, and had the body built, or installed on your Ford chassis. In other words, if the word "reproduction" is correct for your depot hack, it could only mean a reproduction of an after-market depot hack body, or a reproduction of a custom built depot hack as Ford never built one. Hope this makes sense,......for what it's worth,......harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John P. Steele, Montana on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 03:03 pm:

William there are lots of Model T's that are a collection of parts. Your car is fairly unique. My unsolicited advice, just enjoy it. The great thing about Model T's is you can have one that is 100% correct if that's what you want or you can go to the other end of the spectrum and have a speedster. You can have an early brass car that is pristine and spend you days shining brass or have a black car that may have more rust color showing than original paint. Build, buy or drive what is enjoyable for you and don't worry about it. No matter what you have there will unfortunately always be someone who will come along with unsolicited advice and tell you this or that is not correct. They may or may not know what there talking about. It's about having fun, preserving some history in one form or another, developing some great relationships with other T folks and, again having fun. :-)
Mike I missed more English classes than I attended, some days that becomes real obvious.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harris, Huntington Beach California on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 03:05 pm:

That engine number is from late 1916. You could look for additional early features: tapered leaf springs front & rear, DB for "Dodge Brothers" on the front axle, 13-14 style rear axle, etc. to see if it is a true 1913 chassis with a later engine. It quite possibly is a mix of parts which would lower the value from a true 1913 chassis with correct engine. How much is hard to say.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Hjortnaes, Men Falls, WI on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 08:11 pm:

William

It would be appreciated if you would take the Hack outside and take some pictures in the sunlight. Pic's in the garage just do not do justice for your vehicle.

Love it. Wish she were mine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Haynes on Thursday, October 09, 2014 - 09:52 pm:

William, if yours is made like the others I have seen with this identical body, the frames (ribs) in the body are cut, not steam-bent.

I'm not smart enough to follow what Harold was trying to say, but for me, to get my point across, it is a reproduction body.

Those bodies are beautifully made with quality wood and they are sound and attractively proportioned. I remember seeing them at swap meets in California in probably the early 1980s. My main gripe with them is the top header, because of the curve of the roofline, drops right into my sightline and I have to duck my head to see very far down the road.

Enjoy it, it will be a great looking, eye-catching and photogenic car. It should give you many happy and proud years (from one depot hack owner to another).


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Thursday, October 09, 2014 - 10:44 pm:

William, I gotta agree with Harold. Even a purist like me would not car your car a reproduction. Ford sold the "Chassis" and lots of them. That makes Depot Hacks and such legitimate and correct.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By William Schlink on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 11:24 am:

Thanks everyone. I haven't yet brought her home. I've actually been fighting a wild lands fire for the last few days and missed an opportunity to get her on the trailer and barged over. It may be a couple weeks before I get another opportunity. I'll get more and better pictures when I get her out of the shed.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Haynes on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 01:01 pm:

Dave -
I did not call William's car a reproduction, I said the recently-made body is a reproduction, just like I would describe Rootlieb's new fenders as reproductions, Brass Works radiators as reproductions and Chaffin's Ruckstells as reproductions. All those fine items are legitimate and correct and I own some of ALL of them, but if you call them anything but reproductions you are deluding yourself or just playing word games.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Wells on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 03:31 pm:

Ok Dan. Thanks for the clarification.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 05:34 pm:

Rootlieb's new fenders are a reproduction of Ford fenders, Brass Works radiators are reproductions of Ford radiators, William's depot hack body must be a reproduction of,........hmmm,........ maybe one of the wood bodies of one of the many auto body builders of the Model T era I guess,.....??? I wonder which one? Anyone ever seen another wood body with curved panels like William's?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Haynes on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 06:37 pm:

Your attack on William's car body by sarcastically questioning its design authenticity is your battle to undertake, Harold.

I think it is a very handsome reproduction and I would proudly own it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, October 10, 2014 - 10:05 pm:

Sorry you got the wrong impression from me Dan. Didn't mean to be "offensive, and I couldn't agree with you more! I too would proudly own it as I think it's a very beautifully built depot hack of a very unique design, but I just wouldn't call it a "reproduction", because of the fact that it is quite beautiful and unique, and reproductions are usually not unique, and very often, not especially beautiful. Too often, the word "reproduction" suggests something cheap and/or inferior. Just a matter of "semantics" here I guess. And I'm pretty sure that I did not "sarcastically question it's "design authenticity", as I don't even understand what it means for a beautiful and unique design to be "authentic". I guess that's something I particularly like about speedsters and depot hacks,....they're usually unique and different and there are no strict and rigid rules about "authenticity". Hope I haven't further offended you or anybody else Dan,......harold


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