Can asbestos be gotten in sheets for making gaskets?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tyrone Thomas - Topeka KS on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 12:26 am:

As the title ask, can sheets of asbestos for making gaskets still be gotten? I use to have some from my days in the military.
I'm getting tired of taking my A exhaust apart to see why I can't get it to seal. My trouble is at the joint between the Manifold and the down pipe.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Travis E. Towle on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 12:43 am:

If you find some PLEASE drop by my house with a 1x1 inch square for me. I need it to mount between my exhaust mounting bolt and the frame in my roadster. Attempting to keep some heat off the frame in that mounting area.

While buying paint today for my t i noticed exhaust wrap at the 29th at orelieys

Travis
Topeka Kansas

2040 Randolph ave

785-408-3409


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tyrone Thomas - Topeka KS on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 12:47 am:

Hey Travis. You have that monster out in your yard, you can't scare us up some?:-) Great work on the yard art.

I will let you know if I find some. It has got to be out there somewhere where OSHA has not found. Good reason to hit farm auctions.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By keith g barrier on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 08:59 am:

Stay away from the asbestos! It was outlawed for a good reason, the government knew that reason as early as 1918. I have had several friends and family die from exposure to it. Use the paste that you buy for muffler repair at any auto parts store. I started using it some time ago after advice from the local muffler shop. If you follow the instructions it works very well on those applications where there is no gasket or donut seal at the pipe to manifold connections. KGB


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Kevin Whelihan on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 09:31 am:

If you know someone in the heating industry, ask them if you can sheets of Insulpaper. That's the stuff the heating manufacturing industry used to replace asbestos years ago when I was working in the factory. The other stuff you might want to consider is door gasket material for woodstoves. More readily available.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justin Heim on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 09:34 am:

The asbestos gasket material is fine as long as you don't grind it into dust (like when you have to get the old gaskets off). The real exposure problems came from those who were around the dust like mechanics who regularly changed brakes or Sailors who had to tear down asbestos lagging and replace it in confined spaces.

One time in the Navy, I was carrying a sheet of gasket material on the pier from another ship to mine (we had a hard time getting parts under the guidance of Pres. Clinton...go figure) and a small corner of it had damage. A female officer, who apparently was an environmental expert, stopped me and practically shut down the entire pier so they could bring air test pumps out to ensure I wasn't exposing the James River and all of Charleston, SC to massive asbestos contamination. After and hour of screwing around, it was determined that I could get back to work with the material to get the job done. What they failed to do was give us some kind of breathing protection when we were grinding 35 year old gaskets, which probably were asbestos, from the flanges on the distilling unit that we were rebuilding. Military intelligence...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Charlie B actually in Toms River N.J. on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 09:42 am:

Steve Mcqueen claimed he got it from his military service too. Killed him at 50.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 09:51 am:

I'd be surprised if you could find anything asbestos anywhere, other than on a "black market".
If not handled properly, wicked stuff.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tyrone Thomas - Topeka KS on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 10:40 am:

An alternate would be to cut gaskets out of thin sheets of copper. Can get that at the hardware store.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Terry Woods, Richmond, Texas on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 10:58 am:

When I worked two decades ago at Auto Zone, they used to sell an asbestos substitute in white sheets for making gaskets. It may be the same stuff the vendors sell to wrap early mufflers with.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Todd on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 10:59 am:

There is a replacement material for sheet asbestos for gaskets, don' know the name, but it's green in colour. I have a part sheet in the shop I bought a coupla year ago. If need be I could dig it out and see ifn it's got a name on it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Garnet on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 11:02 am:

Travis, find an old tube radio and check under the chassis for a large piece of asbestos or whatever it was back then. Should be more than enough for what you need. It should be sprayed with some kind of sealer though.

Garnet


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 11:19 am:

If a single tiny piece asbestos fiber gets into your lungs it will eventually kill you.

Steve McQueen's cancer was thought to have been caused by the asbestos fire suit he was forced to wear by movie studio insurance company orders, aggravated by his cigarette smoking.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jay - In Northern California on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 11:19 am:

I am sure any personal injury Lawyer would be happy to help you find all the asbestos gasket material you could possibly need.:-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Norman T. Kling on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 11:30 am:

You need to get a new clamp from a parts vendor. They tend to get worn out and when tightened all the way don't keep the pipe tight against the manifold. After you get the new clamp, put a jack under the pipe to hold it tight before you clamp it. Put a turn or two of aluminum foil around the joint and clamp down tight. You should have no more leaks and if you cut the aluminum just right it won't even show.
Norm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Justin Heim on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 12:15 pm:

Drinking too much water will kill you also.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 12:45 pm:

I have some asbestos sheet somewhere but it is fairly thick. I'll see if I can find it. I use it all the time when I solder pipes close to woodwork. If I find it I'll let you know. I think it's in the kids toy box.

You know what else can kill you...Telling your wife she looks fat in those jeans!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Erik Johnson on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 01:05 pm:

My elderly neighbor gave me this seven inch roll of 2.5" asbestos tape used for boiler and furnace door gaskets and wrapping pipes. He also used to have sheets of asbestos - got some of that from him one time but don't have it any more.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 02:12 pm:

Good asbestos is hard to find these days. Back when it was easier to find, we had a business of grinding up old mobile homes and making them into flavored fish sticks. The gov't. only required a 2% fish content and with the use of bright food colorants and delicious flavors children loved, we sold a lot of them !

These days, my brother and I use the old asbestos shingles to make mobiles for over the baby's crib. We sell them on eBay. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tyrone Thomas - Topeka KS on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 04:14 pm:

Glad you recycle Burger.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By lorenzo leon on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 07:42 pm:

The rear brake shoes on the 26-7 use asbestos for brake lining ?....yes?
I have old lining material around , do they still sell these lining with asbestos ??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Miller, Sequim WA on Sunday, October 12, 2014 - 10:18 pm:

Canada is still a major supplier of Asbestos to the world. I have been around asbestos through the 70's and 80's. The problem is breathing the airborne particles. Over time they will get stuck in your lungs and cause scars that cover the inside of the lungs. I have never had an issue with my lungs but never made a habit of breathing it either.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 11:46 am:

Lorenzo, the modern replacement linings for 26/27 emergency brake shoes isn't made from asbestos. NOS stuff found at eBay or a swap meet might be asbestos, but it's not much to be afraid of if you're careful, not working full time with the stuff and most important - don't smoke.

It's the combination of smoking and exposure to asbestos that is really dangerous. According to a study I've read working with asbestos increases the risk of dying from lung cancer by 5 times compared to the general public while the combination smoking and working with asbestos increased the risk 28 times compared to the general public.

http://www.asbestos.com/news/2013/06/28/smoking-cessation-asbestos-workers-reduc es-lung-cancer-risk/


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 12:01 pm:

I bought a sheet of woven gasket material from my local Auto Value a few weeks ago, and made T manifold gaskets from it. I will get the info asap.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 12:07 pm:

Not only is it virtually fireproof, it makes a delicious, high fiber breakfast cereal ! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 12:09 pm:

Hold on a minute .... you mean smoking is bad for you ???


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Henry Petrino in Modesto, CA on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 12:32 pm:

Roger K. Is correct. Smoking significantly increases chances of lung cancer. Exposure to asbestos significantly increases chances of lung cancer. Smoking AND exposure to asbestos makes lung cancer a near certainty.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 12:35 pm:

But outside of an extremely slow and painful death, what's the problem ? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Paul on Monday, October 13, 2014 - 02:44 pm:

Having a few family members and friends die as a result of asbestos, I don't see the humor in many of these remarks. It is indeed a slow and painful way to go. There are several good alternatives to asbestos for this application. Don't be a fool and discount the effects of asbestos!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Housego (United Kingdom) on Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 07:05 am:

I have been holding back on commenting on this but my Father died from handling asbestos in his younger days and as David Paul says it is indeed a slow and VERY painful way to go, there is no cure. It really is a horrible death, if you saw the incredible suffering it causes, believe me, you would never go near the stuff!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 12:34 pm:



I was going to make a thread about this but decided to put it here.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Myers on Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 02:20 pm:

I've used mineral wool, rock wool and insulwool recently during the construction of industrial furnaces. It is good for up to 2300 deg. F, and is readily available.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gilbert V. I. Fitzhugh on Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 02:54 pm:

Stanley boilers used to be insulated with asbestos. Now there's an environmentally friendly, similar-looking material called Fiberfrax that's used in place of asbestos. Probably not quite as effective an insulator, but you'll live to enjoy it much longer. And it's available in sheets.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H. Nichols on Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 03:11 pm:

I Have a niece whose boyfriend is a plumbing and heating expert. I'll asks him if he has any asbestos.

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Rob from Nova Scotia on Tuesday, October 14, 2014 - 05:08 pm:

Fred, as of 2011, Canada has exactly zero asbestos mines. Yes, at one time we were a major supplier but now Russia is the major producer of the stuff, supplying about half of the worlds supply


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Wednesday, October 15, 2014 - 12:07 am:

In the early fifties we used two put two cars in a two bay garage and when we got the brake drums off both cars we would use a strong air nozzle to blow the asbestos dust out of the brakes of all four wheels as quickly as we could.
We'd have the place so full of black dust we could hardly see each other.
We thought it was funny and laugh like hell.
I lost a good friend Saturday night from asbestos he got when he worked around ships in the fifties and sixties.
It was a year of treatment and a couple of months of real agony. A miserable way to die.


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