I'm attempting to find/recall who sent me photos of the Ford Canada ledger pages several years ago. I recall it was someone on the forum, however am not able to find the original email or contact information.
Also, I've been told the ledger(s) at Windsor are not complete, but that more exist, possibly in private hands. Any help finding these records would be greatly appreciated.
Below is on of a few pages that were sent. This page shows models C and K:
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I sent it all to Hap (approx 40 images). I do not recall if I sent you all the images.
These ledgers are kept at the University of Windsor Leddy Library. These document missed the move to Oakville Ontario in the 1950's..
Ford of Canada no longer maintains an archive. Their archive was packed up and sent to Ford Archives in Dearborn Michigan (not Benson)
BLUF: (Bottom Line Up Front) Rob, I don’t remember if I sent you that information or not. If I did – you’re welcome! If anyone recognizes the photo or thinks they sent it to Rob, please let him/us know.
Thanks Steve for all your support to our hobby and to me! I hope you are doing well.
Thanks Rob for all your support to our hobby and to me! You have a lot of great questions and your research that you share has been great, thank you.
I’m 99.99% sure that the photo you posted is a cropped version of the one taken by John Biggs when he visited the University of Windsor back in 2008. Below is page 4 posted by Rob:
Below is Page 4 taken by John Biggs:
Note that the top and both sides were cropped a little more but the bottom was not cropped any more. Additionally note that the pages on the left appear to have been stacked exactly the same etc.
Based on that I’m 99.99% sure it is the same photo because John was using a hand held camera and the odds of someone else holding it in exactly the same location with book pages exactly the same is extremely remote. The photo I posted is the one from the CD in Carl’s book although I’m 99% sure that John also kindly sent me the original photos.
Concerning the Ford of Canada Archives, the ledger page above and others that show the arrival dates for chassis and/or engines from the USA to Ford of Canada and later in the ledger shipping information for Dec 1, 1904 Model C to Feb 13, 1908 Model S are available on the CD that comes with Carl’s book “Pate’s Early Ford Automobile Encyclopedia.” They are located under the folder Other Information/Database – Ford Motor Company of Canada. One file has them by the page in the ledger and the other file has them by engine serial number order. The data was collected / photographed by John Biggs in 2008 and the photographs are also included on the CD under the folder: Pictures/Documents/Ford of Canada Archives –Biggs. Carl’s excellent book is available from the club at: http://modeltstore.myshopify.com/products/pates-early-ford-automotive-encyclopedia-1903-1909 or the author at: http://www.earlyfordcars.info/ as well as some of the vendors.
From the link Steve posted which was: http://web4.uwindsor.ca/units/archive/ford.nsf/inToc/ECEE31B4D82D10ED85256A40005 07B60?OpenDocument We find:
Dates of Creation: 1904-1907 and 1907. - Extent of Descriptive Unit: Textual Material. - Scope and Content: The file contains a ledger giving a description of various automotive parts and a parts inventory. This includes a LISTING OF AUTOMOBILE SALES FOR THE MODEL N AND K.
Parts Ledger 1904-1907 Box 4 File 59
1907 Box 12 File 84
Below is the 1904-1907 ledger that John Biggs took his photographs from. It is locate in Box 4 file 59.
I believe it is highly likely there would be additional NRS and possibly SR as well as K cars listed the 1907 ledger in Box 12 File 84. So if someone has the time to look there, please let us know what they discover, and please take photos so we can go back and cross check databases with what was originally seen.
(Rob -- I have also been working on an e-mail to you, but that is still in draft.)
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Thank you for sending your information.
Hap, thank you for "stimulating" my memory. I found an email from John, and had these pics along with a Model K parts list submitted to Canadian authorities (I assume as part of the duty setting process), and for listing the archives. I have a friend near Windsor who will attempt to find them over the next few weeks.
One of the Model K parts list pages:
There are three pages listing Model K parts and cost. On the first page two of the major expenses are the engine and rear axle, both produced by Dodge Brothers. The other Dodge Brothers component is listed on page three, the transmission, with a cost of $50. The total Dodge component cost/value turned in to Canadian officials was $437.50. That number rang a bell, so, over to Ford Board of Directors minutes. Sure enough, the agreed to contract price to be paid by FMC to DB for Model K chassis was.........$437.50. Now we know what those specific chassis components were:
Sometimes seemingly unrelated bits of history fall into place like pieces of a puzzle.
Thanks again Steve and Hap.