ID some parts?

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: ID some parts?
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 10:02 pm:

I just built a 1923 Model T Speedster body for a guy on his chassis...got another chassis to use as a jig...192X? build quality looks to be less compared to the 1923.




Also, I found this deer hunting couple years ago..
would like to replace or replicate for next Speedster...Any idea what it is?




Thanks..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 10:14 pm:

Here's a rear cross member pic.
with 100" wheel base.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 10:23 pm:

Late 26-27 frame. No idea about the radiator shell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 10:26 pm:

Your frame is a '26-'26 missing the running board braces, and the front cross member has had the fender brackets clipped off. Seems to be typical of the later frame.

As for the radiator shell, don't know the maker, or what radiator would fit, but appears to be the 21 1/2" across the bottom to fit the T frame. Could be a speedster type shell, can you see any marks where there might have been a top panel to disguise the Ford core? Unusual to have a round top radiator core on a Ford.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Allan Bennett - Australia on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 10:28 pm:

Russell, the frame is a 1926-7 item. The wide rear cross member with the flange was the last incarnation of the T chassis. The front of the frame has suffered cut off extensions which accommodated the pressed steel fender supports on the improved cars.

Hope this helps.

Allan from down under.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 11:07 pm:

There are small drill holes on the upper face of the shell and yes it fits the frame perfectly..

So, 26-27 frame, appreciate that.

It is deer season again!
I guess I'll be taking a hike back down into that Steep #!@% valley..Too steep for the bike.. and shoot some pics..get more parts? and try to find something to ID it..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 01:05 am:

If the frame was made after December of 1925 there should be a serial number stamped on top of the right rail about where the passenger's feet would go. Occasionally it's on the left rail, but usually on the right.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jeff Hood on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 02:18 am:

Some Buicks had round top radiators but the opening was still squared off.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Aaron Griffey, Hayward Ca. on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 02:41 am:

We really need to see pictures of the body you built for the guy.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 08:25 am:

Frame in the woods had some pretty good pitting going on and was half buried...no luck with #'s.

Going to start looking at old tractors shells I guess?

I just recently found my interest in these old cars and now I cant get enough of'em..

Here's some pics

1923 Model T







Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 08:35 am:

had to reload these..



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 11:44 am:

I'm pretty sure the shell is from a Star, but it's missing the top panel where the logo would be mounted.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 07:59 pm:

It is close..but mine don't appear to have been altered..


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Donnie Brown North Central Arkansas on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 08:32 pm:

Russell, The top panel to most early radiator shells were spot welded. A broken spot weld sometimes leaves very little to see.. Especially if it is a rusty piece. The Star shell does look very similar. I also believe there possibly was a top panel to hide the radiator tank.???? but maybe not.??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Lovejoy, So Cal on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 10:00 pm:

Russel - awesome work there !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 10:15 pm:

Ok.I always assumed they were a single stamped piece...That would make sense...I haven't found anything closer than what Jerry posted.

Thanks for that!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Tuesday, October 21, 2014 - 10:17 pm:

Hey thanks Tom!!
Cant wait to build me one...Aint that the way it goes!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Wednesday, October 22, 2014 - 12:28 am:

Russell - Ref. the radiator shell, take a look at the speedster shown in Donald Vagasky's profile picture,......harold


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 01:12 am:

Made a special trip into the woods Sunday with Pop to visit the abandoned remains that this grill was taken from and here is the pics I shot.
Surely somebody knows what this is now...Pretty unique.
I've been looking for a couple hours now with no luck matching the brake handle and dash.
1915 Cadillac is close but no perfect match yet.
I brought the cowl out with me and buried the remains with leaves like an old prospector hiding his gold...haha





Dash


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 01:49 am:

Another...Front of frame

Front


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 02:15 am:

Another


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 02:16 am:

Engine comp..



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 02:20 am:

Lever


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 02:21 am:

Front



Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 10:42 am:

Russell,

Looking at the photo I posted earlier of the 1922 Star and the photos you've posted, I see the same fenders and frame ends. I am fairly certain the chassis you found is from a Star. By the remains of the rear of the body, I would say it was a Roadster.




Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jerry VanOoteghem on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 10:56 am:

Look here too: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/jacksnell707/sets/72157622015892690/

You'll see those odd levers under the dashboard in the link also, as well as the distinctive parking brake lever.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 04:43 pm:

Yup!!
You nailed it!!!
1923 Durant Star Roadster!
Never heard of it?
Good looking car.


Ya know...I really hate the fact that they used the same levers under the dash and a very close replica of the Duesenbergs parking brake lever.

I found this today, and due to my inexperience and recently acquired taste for these cars I allowed my imagination to run a little more freely than usual and got a little excited when I saw this picture of a Duesenberg with the same features.



It is funny... and I'm laughing with you about it because I don't normally do it ...Which made it more fun.

I am still going to bring it home this deer season, but I'm not going to tell any of the guy's until it's loaded...haha

Thanks Jerry,
Good Call!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Don Lyon, PDX, OR. on Monday, October 27, 2014 - 10:46 pm:

There's almost enough of that car left to restore. Don


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 04:56 pm:

I do plan on reverse engineering it..metal is too far gone...but the frame has held up well.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Chris Olsen on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 05:05 pm:

Hey Russel, what kind of fuel cell is in that Aluminum body speedster? since it'll be covered I was thinking of using a 10 gallon RCI tank.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Russell Richards on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 05:17 pm:

That was a little alum-4 or 5gal tank.
The body was 20ga steel.
If it fits?...run with it!
Anything to get the car down the road.

I figure it this way....If I'm not running with era specific hardware....I'm not going to worry too much about everything else.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Sunday, November 02, 2014 - 12:47 am:

interesting thing about Stars, the Clutch & starter mechanism are open-air. with a short shaft to the transmission, which is in it's own frame mounts.


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