Brass 1916 Invoice Photo

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Brass 1916 Invoice Photo
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 09:15 am:

This was posted on the news site where I work. It's mid July production, brass radiator, and was probably driven from the plant after purchase.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Graham Lloyd on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 06:19 pm:

Wouldn't that be ironic if the car still exists?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Hap Tucker in Sumter SC on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 06:46 pm:

Tom,

Thank you so much for posting the document. I think there is a good possibility that the Jul 18, 1916 sale/delivery -- shipped by person Model T Touring could have been either a Brass Radiator "OR" a black radiator car. The engine number 1,348,524 is listed in Bruce's (R.I.P.) book in the engine logs on the early part of Jul 15, 1916 (ref page 513 Bruce's book "Model T Ford"). While Bruce has the 1916 model year running from Aug 1915 to Aug 1916 and the 1917 Model Year as Aug 1916 to Aug 1917 in his book. The Model T Ford Club International has the model year for 1916 running from Oct 1915 to Jul 1916 and the 1917 model year running from Jul 1916 to Jul 1917. The MTFCI Judging Guidelines also list that the chart was assembled by Bruce McCalley. (Ref page 3 of the MTFCI Judging Guidelines 6th Edition).

And I would not be surprised if they changed over one assembly line initially to work out the kinks of assembling the black radiator style car. And then they switched over the other lines (possibly after they used up "X" number of brass radiators, hoods, etc.?)

But I do not think that all the assembly at the Highland Park shifted to the new style at a single point in time. And for sure the branches would not have done it at the same time as Highland Park (but in this case we know the car came from the Detroit Branch). Which begs the questions was that the main factory i.e. Highland Park -- or a Branch Plant and if a Branch Plant did they also assemble the cars?

And while we know the $440 price dropped to $360 effective Aug 1, 1916 (ref Bruce page 331) we do not know exactly when the last of the brass radiators was assembled by Ford USA or when the first of the Black radiator cars was assembled and how much overlap when both styles were assembled.

If you have additional information that would point to the car being a brass radiator touring that would help us document things better. But I suspect we won't know for sure based only on that one document.

Again thank you so much for posting the information.

Respectfully submitted,

Hap l9l5 cut off


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 07:21 pm:

That is too cool. Tom, I bet it still exists somewhere. I'd give a certain part of my anatomy to get hold of one of these for just one of my four T's if I could! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 07:27 pm:

With my luck I buy the car the last week of July for $440 and the next week in August it would be advertised for $360!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tom Miller, Mostly in Dearborn on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 08:39 pm:

Hap,

I've attempted to contact the original poster for more information. All I have is a first name and a job description so I think I might have located the individual at an out of state location. No response yet.

The car was sold to a great grandfather and both the residence and the 1550 Woodward address appear to be updated through modern building processes. I assumed it was brass because of the $440 price and wishful thinking because I too own a '16 Touring. It sure would be nice if the great grandchild said it's still in the family.

Regardless of all this, it is excellent documentation as to how fast the plant was machining engines and creating cars.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brass car guy on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 08:49 pm:

Correct me if I'm wrong(more often than not), does this invoice actually show that the factory sold a car direct to a retail customer, and he took delivery at the factory? Was this a normal procedure?

justaskin'

brasscarguy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Herb Iffrig on Thursday, October 23, 2014 - 09:11 pm:

My dad told me that he and some friends drove to Detroit and picked up a car from the factory in the 1930's, so I would guess that the first owner after the factory could have done this too.


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