Thanks to all who helped me with a previous thread.
I have now normalised the rims, added safety clips and have offered the rims to the wheels. The outer rim sits on the back edge of the metal felloe ok but there seems to be a large gap between the metal felloe and the outer rim.
It also seems that I have the 20" rim clamps and not the 23" rim clamps for the Kelsey's.
Can anyone advise if the gap is correct and what the correct rim clamps look like.
On another note - assuming I get this sorted, what colour should the rims be?
Many thanks, Richard.
You are missing the clamping ring which goes between the rim and the edge of the wheel felloe. It is the second ring in the following picture. I have one 25" that you could cut down to 23" but only have the one. $65 plus shipping
The clamps are in last illustration.
This is a picture of lugs that Steve Jelf posted some time back. I believe that these are the correct ones for your wheels. The center nut spins in the lug. I have one 23" wheel just like yours that takes this lug but mine aren't as pretty as the ones in this picture.
I don't think those are the right clamps for those rings, Justin. I would defer to Laydon, as he will know for sure.
So, what holds the clamping ring in place? Just the six lugs?
Justin and Mark, They are and yes.
Richard,The rims and rings were zink plated. You may find the clamps you added will interfere with the proper seating of the ring, in which case you can remove them as they are not necessary.
Richard, I have two sets of the Kelsey 23" rear wheels, one set is on my profile picture. Neither uses the ring that Layden has posted. I have seen those rings before, but I don't know for sure what wheels they are for. I thought they were for Hayes wheels? My Kelsey wheel rims fit snug on both the back side and front side without the rings. Your rim and wheel combination don't appear to be compatible. JMHO. Dave
I had my rims hot dip galvanized at the nearest Valmont plant. There's a minimum charge, so the more you have done the less each one costs on average. I haven't checked to see if that's available in the UK.
My latest TT acquisition has 23" rear wheels, however they are much different from the Kelseys. Since I need new rims, I guess I need to know what brand they are. What are they?
John, They are Hayes
This is the picture I didn't get in my previous post. Same lug as Justin's post.
Yes the lugs press against the clamping ring which presses against both the rim and felloe to center the rim and support. The chart in previous post lists the clamping ring for Rim NO.118 which is the TT rim.
How about a close up picture of you lug felloe rim setup?
Layden, I don't have any pictures and I'm in Texas now. I don't know for sure, but I think that my rims may have been later ones that didn't require the clamping rings. They have a ridge made into them that contacts the edge of the felloe where the clamping rings go. Maybe a running change, such as the different 30 x 3 1/2 kelsey NO. 88 clincher rims that were made differently but would still interchange. Just a guess. Dave
I did a little research on this and may have found an answer in the FORD parts book. In the TT section it shows the part No. 1106E Dem. rim retainer ring-Kelsey 1922-27. You are probably right that there was a running change made but I would suggest it is the early 1919-21 that did not have the clamping ring.
This is from the Ford Parts Catalog, note the tang on the lug just above the 7 in the part #. Could it be that there are 2 different lugs and that this picture is really a carryover of an early lug that does not need a clamping ring? The tang could push between the rim and felloe and do the job of a clamping ring.
How about it guys, what do your lugs look like on the back side?
There never seems to be a last word on this stuff!
OOPS Try again on picture
Thanks for your response. The Hayes certainly seem like a simpler design and installation...or am I missing something.
It's neat to learn something new. I've never seen the 1107-b with that extra tab that Laydon showed above . Mine swivel into place to catch a groove on the ID of the rim.
Layden, I'm with Tim on this one. I too have never seen that 1107-B with the extra tab. Never noticed it in the parts book either. Interesting. Just goes to show, the more we learn, the less we know! Dave
I spent some time with a T friend and we laid out my wheels and rims and checked against other parts.
It certainly looks like the outer rim goes over the wheel and sits on the rear flange. A circlip ring is then placed inside the outer rim and the clamps shown above clamp from the metal felloe to the circlip which is holding the rim in place.