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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 02:12 pm:

At my age high on the list are Flush toilet and Recliner/ Lazy boy. View from my Recliner today.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 02:15 pm:

Can't imagine how you have time to use the recliner ..... . . unless that is your "bed" !


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 02:21 pm:

I see you have one of those do it yourself motor kits.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ed Baudoux on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 02:42 pm:

That looks a lot like a K 6-40 in the background.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ken Kopsky, Lytle TX on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 04:53 pm:

Waaaaaaay too much empty floor space. You need more tools and equipment.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 06:41 pm:

I like the view.

: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 09:55 pm:

At the top of my list is winter heat. I can hike a hundred feet to the house for a toilet.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 11:31 pm:

Another view from my recliner.
There is nothing more enjoyable than working with My Children. Ben showed up after supper.
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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Fred Dimock, Newfields NH, USA on Thursday, October 30, 2014 - 11:48 pm:

What ever floats your boat works.

Each one of us are different.

I would love to have a work area and time to do things on my T and other projects but life gets in the way!

I envy those that have aligned there lives so that in their later years they have time time to pursue their passion.
But I understand


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 12:09 am:

" At my age high on the list are Flush toilet and Recliner/ Lazy boy ... "

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How about a reclining flush toilet ? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 12:13 am:

Or a heated reclining flush toilet with a book rack installed within easy reach.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Harold Schwendeman - Sumner,WA on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 01:19 am:

Paul - If you're gonna' carry things that far, might just as well have a laptop computer handy near the "reclining flush toilet" so that you can "multi-task" and put in some really "quality time" while reclining, but before flushing!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Paul Mikeska, Denver CO on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 01:24 am:

Harold,

That is why I have wireless internet!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dave Dufault on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 09:08 am:


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 09:37 am:

I just love your drill press Dean


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By eugene story on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 09:53 am:

on bad days I do my mechanic work in the house I put a rear end in a recliner


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By G.R.Cheshire on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 10:05 am:

Maybe for the experts out there we could see who can identify the most items in dean's shop there is a TT rearend (disassembled) couple of blocks several cranks what else K 6-40 parts looks like a lot of stuff .....


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 02:17 pm:

Frank, That old craftsman drill press makes a wonderful cylinder honing machine for T blocks. I use it with a Sunnen power hone head.

P.S. visible but not identifiable, are my surface grinder and T run-in machine.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Doug Money - Braidwood, IL on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 03:16 pm:

Steve, it took 7 years, but we got heat in the garage two weeks ago. I understand completely.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Zahorik on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 03:33 pm:

I have to agree with Doug, Steve, and others regarding heat. It snowed some this morning and it was only 28. The older I get the more I like 70 in the garage. Mike


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 04:01 pm:

The first thing I did when I moved into my new house was wire, insulate, sheet rock, and paint my 3-car garage. Then I installed a bunch of flourescent light fixtures and one of these, it does a great job keeping the garage comfortable:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Fahrenheat-5-000-Watt-Unit-Heater-FUH54/202043073

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dean Yoder on Friday, October 31, 2014 - 11:30 pm:

Steve, Before I insulated & installed a furnace my shop was called A corn crib.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 01:54 am:

That's gotta be the last year for GTX !

Outside of Steve, does anyone else build/renovate their car buildings to look age appropriate to their T's ?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bruce Kile on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 11:23 am:

Mark Strange, what does that 220v heater cost to run ??


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 12:05 pm:

Bruce, if I compare my average electric bill in the winter to bills in the spring or fall (when I don't run either the garage heater or the house centarl air conditioner) it looks like about the electricity for the heater costs about $90.00 per month, which is about the same as my house central air during the peak of the summer.

I usually have the heater set to keep the garage at about 50 degrees F, I only turn it up when I'm in the garage working. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 12:09 pm:

Oops, I meant central air, not centarl.

I insulated my steel garage doors with these foam inserts, they were a snap to install:

http://www.texasgarages.com/insulation.htm


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Keith Townsend ; ^ ) Gresham, Orygun on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 12:23 pm:

Dean-
Is the Ben Yoder or Ben Dover?

: ^ )


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Gregush Portland Oregon on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 12:47 pm:

A shop would be nice to have. One that I could keep Nellybell inside and still have room to do engine/rear end rebuilding and space for another car. Mine is a 10 X 16 lean-to off the side of my 10 X 12 storage workroom and has just enough room for my car and a work bench along the side and front. You have to turn sideways to get under the car and no room on the drivers side when it's parked inside. The sides and roof are recycled tin roofing and the ends are tarps. Right now my T is sitting outside under a blue tarp. The floor space is taken up by a Kohler L600 generator and an engine rebuild. :-) At least I have a dry cement floor and a roof over head and if it gets real cold a 220V contractors electric heater. Then again, not much room on a 40 X 100 lot.

(Message edited by redmodelt on November 01, 2014)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Burger in Spokane on Saturday, November 01, 2014 - 01:07 pm:

Mark,

I'd say it is time to reconsider your priorities. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jared Buckert on Sunday, November 02, 2014 - 11:00 am:

I've been looking around town wanting to buy or rent my first place (being a poor college graduate, I'm crashing at home with Mom and Dad.) Having a garage is on my list. Two car would be preferred, but one car is almost essential. At least that way I'll have room to keep a vehicle (preferably the T, but my girlfriend doesn't like a cold car either!) out of the elements and maybe even a workbench area. What would you guys call essential shop equipment? Besides heat in the winter, that is.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mark Strange on Sunday, November 02, 2014 - 11:08 am:

Jared, in addition to the real estate classifieds, keep an eye out in the auto parts/services classifieds, sometimes the most car-friendly properties are listed there.

Hold out for as large a garage as you can get. If you end up getting a place with a smaller than optimum garage, consider getting a backyard shed so that the garage doesn't fill up with lawn mowers, rakes, etc.

Good luck! :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Coco on Sunday, November 02, 2014 - 11:42 am:

The day after I retired, I started insulating and putting ceiling in my garage. I then installed a Mitsubishi split-unit heating/cooling system. It's a heat pump, so below 30 degrees loses some effectiveness, but during normal times of the year it keeps the garage comfortable. A few thousand up front, but cost to run unit is minimal, utility bill went up about $20 a month. I keep garage at 68 or so during winter, 72 or so during summer, most important thing is it protects the cars from moisture and condensation...and it's super quiet, can barely hear it running...


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Stroud on Sunday, November 02, 2014 - 11:58 am:

Jared, I was always told to look for the largest shop/garage you could afford and take the house that comes with it! Dave


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Marvin Konrad on Sunday, November 02, 2014 - 02:40 pm:

-Mark & Others-
When I built 20 years ago, I put up a 24' deep by 26' wide detached garage/shop. (Should've made it bigger!) Insulated, sheet rocked, fluorescent lighting, and a 35,000 BTU Modine-Hot Dawg (natural gas) ceiling furnace. Set the thermostat at 42 degrees when I'm not out there, then crank up to 60 degrees when working there. About $20/mo. during the winter. Summer humidity eliminated with a 70 pt. dehumidifier, and keeps things cool. T's and tools don't rust, while working in comfortable clothes!!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gary H. White - Sheridan, MI on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 05:29 pm:

When I was setting up my shop I put four 110 outlets along the front of the work bench. Very handy. Keeps cords from tangling with items on bench.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 07:07 pm:

Jared,when I built my garage I made it as big as local zoning would allow and thought it would be more than enough. Look at it now! Your garage will never be big enough no matter what you do.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Woolf on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 07:51 pm:

Val,

In your photo, is that an Autocar in the background? Also, what is the car in the foreground?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 07:52 pm:

Mark, up here in "icebox land" one of those 5KW electric heaters would butcher our already high electric bill (all electric house) so right now I'm in the planning stages to put in either a 25,000 or maybe even a 40,000 BTU radiant LP heater in my 3-car garage. It's insulated to the hilt, I only want to keep the garage around 45 or so unless I'm working on the '20 or the '12 and shouldn't use that much propane. Already have the 120 gal. tank for my automatic standby generator so this would be perfect.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 08:03 pm:

Dan, the other car is a '10 Chalmers-Detroit Model J Touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 08:14 pm:

The other car is an '08 Autocar Type XV runabout. The Chalmers and Autocar share the garage with my '12 and '13 T's .


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dick Fischer on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 09:22 pm:

This isn't about my shop, but one of my friend's.

My friend Don bought a house on one acre is a neighborhood of nice homes, all on one acre lots. He ultimately built a 60X100 metal building in his back yard. You might say it "dominates" his yard, not to mention the neighborhood.

When I asked Don why and how he had come to build such a large shop, this was his story:

"You know how when you were a kid and you wanted a puppy dog the smart move was to go your folks and ask for a pony ? Then you negotiated your way down to a puppy, which was what you wanted all along ? You knew that if you had asked for a puppy in the first place you would have wound up with a hamster.

"Well, I told my wife that I wanted to build a shop building in the back yard. I told her I was thinking about 60X100. Surprisingly, she went along with the deal. I'm sure she figured the zoning folks would turn me down and save her the argument.

"So I went to the planning department. They took my plan and sent it through all the approval departments. Nobody objected. Then they sent letters to all my neighbors. Not one of them objected.

"Building & Safety, drainage, electrical, fire department, bank lending officer, they all acted like I was crazy but each one passed on the plan.

"So, here I am two years later. All I ever expected was the puppy, but I got the whole d**n pony !"

Dick


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 10:19 pm:

I fought for 2 years to get my garage and I had to call it a "utility building" and scale it down twice to get it approved. I couldn't call it a garage because you can't have anything larger than a 3 car garage which meant no garage doors so I had to go the barn door route. In addition they made me do all kinds of surveys and unrelated work on the property because they were hoping to get me to give up. A classic example of our tax dollars being used to make life miserable for us. Where I lived in NY you don't really own your property you just rent it from the government. I moved to Florida hoping that things would be better there but I am finding out that it is the same everywhere these days.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ted Dumas on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 10:35 pm:

Come to Texas, there are no zoning laws in unincorporated areas. You just have to have enough property so that whatever your neighbor does it won't bother you.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 02:15 am:

Dick Fischer,
THAT is hilarious! I do hope he could afford it.
Drive carefully, and enjoy, w2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John H. Nichols on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 10:23 am:

Val,

I a lot of people retire and move to FL. These are probably the folks who worked for the counties in NY now work for the Counties in FL

John


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Seth from NC on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 10:33 am:

Lol I've said before - my wife would flip out if I had a fridge and a toilet in the shop - because I'd never come inside.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 12:26 pm:

I was at Dean's place a few months ago and what a real treat it was to get a tour of his many nooks and crannies!
Here in SurfCityCity we have postage stamp sized lots but one thing I have that I think is a necessity is a sink. I can't tell you how many times I was my hands or clean a part off in the sink.

If you ever get by Deans place in Iowa make sure you look him up. Your in for a great time!

Thanks again Dean!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Val Soupios on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 03:28 pm:

John you are absolutely right! We had a little work done on our place in Florida and one of the inspectors was a guy from NY who retired with a pension from that job and came down to Florida to get another pension and make life miserable for everyone here. He was there for, I kid you not, a screw inspection. What is a screw inspection you say? They count the screws in the drywall to make sure you used enough of them to keep the drywall in place. By the time he left I was certain that I had been properly screwed!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Ricks - Surf City on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 05:29 pm:

Good reminder on the sink, Gene.

Plans are drawn up and ready to select a contractor for my new, larger garage. Unfortunately, I will get more use from the handicap room over it.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By brass car guy on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 08:24 pm:

When we purchased our property, before closing I made sure what the outbuilding requirements were. Seems as we are rural, there are a couple of chinks in the building dept armor.

1st is the building purpose, and size. I hired a professional plan presenter to work with the county. Our purpose was "agriculture" almost no limitations. I was able to build an approx 5000 sq ft pole building plus a 1000 sq ft machine shop and a 400 sq ft trailer storage building.

I'm totally moved in and wish I had built an even larger facility. Since completed I have added 2000 sq ft of balcony for additional storage.
I have also added 2 post hoists to double park the more modern collection of sports cars that my wife has. I have added a 4 post hoist for car work, a spray booth, my machine shop, welding and fabrication room, a dirty room for parts cleaning and buffing.

No matter how big your "barn is" it ain't big enough. They look huge when totally empty but once you start adding and installing benches storage, let alone cars this space disappears quickly. Plus the fact that you need additional space just for car movement inside. Just like your wife told you years ago, bigger is better.

just sayin,

brasscarguy


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Cascisa - Poulsbo, Washington on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 11:11 pm:

In my shop I have all of the necessities.

Refrigerator
Microwave
Toaster Oven
Coffee Pot




Rest Room



Life is good :-)

Be_Zero_Be


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Floyd Voie - Chehalis, Washington on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 01:20 am:

You've never tasted pancakes until you've tasted the ones that come from Bob's shop!
Thanks Bob!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Tim Wrenn on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 08:00 am:

10W30 for Syrup? :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 02:14 pm:

Bob, A man cannot have too many coffee cups, my wife thinks different.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Floyd Voie - Chehalis, Washington on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 04:20 pm:

Yes Tim, the real stuff...no synthetic!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bob Cascisa - Poulsbo, Washington on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 09:10 pm:

Yup- pancakes in the workshop are the best !!!

:-) :-) :-)

Be_Zero_Be


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