Some of the forum thinks that model T parts should never go to the recycle scrap iron folks.
I think this frame with engine, transmission and rear end just missed the recycle bin. Some one had started to saw the frame into smaller pieces as the scrap iron folks like and pay a better price for. I do not know the complete story, but my sons brought it home and most of it looks like it can be used for a future project. Someone may have broken their saw on the drive shaft as it is partly cut????
Thank god. I know I could use an extra 26 long block. Would live to find one
Great save. If nothing else you have a bunch of good parts /cores.
I saved a T frame /firewall/Front axle and some various small parts last year. They were really rough and I paid too much, but I couldn't bear to see it go to the scrap yard.
That frame can be repaired. I hope they didnt ruin the drive shaft.
I have almost enough stuff to make up another TT but no shaft for the drive shaft tube.Have been hoping and looking for a while now. Like I need another project but I have a decent C cab that needs using.!
Great find, lots of good parts there, and thank your son for saving it. Im one of the people who try to save it all. Even the junk, absolutely worthless parts can be used for yard art or store displays. What is the number on the engine and maybe a frame number if you can read it. (located near hand brake shaft, it can be on either side)
It appears you have a son who knows the difference between junk and RUSTY Gold. I would definitely give him a hearty thanks on behalf of all of the forum members.
I could not find a number on the frame, but the engine number is 12,957,79XX which is actually a late 1925 number. The engine has the two holes on the back of the block for the 26/27 transmission cover.
One or the spark plugs is broken and water may have entered the engine. There may be a real surprise inside???
Nice save. Cut up frames make nice motor stands or body dollies. Yes it could be welded. I see a lot of parts being used that someone took the time to save.
It's a chassis from a 1926 style improved car. The engine was assembled december 19 1925, so it' s interesting no chassis number can be found - Ford started stamping the engine number in the frame december 12 at #12,861,044 at the Highland Park plant, but only a small part of the Fords produced were assembled at Highland Park, maybe the frame stamping practice started later at other plants - or maybe the engine has been swapped and the chassis is slightly earlier than the engine? (1926 style production started in august '25.)
Good save on the part of your son! Please tell him a lot of us really appreciate him doing that.
I agree with your logic. Either of those two situations would explain why the engine number was not also stamped on the frame. I suspect that the Branch Plants implemented that policy later than the main plant -- but that is just a guess on my part. Note the engine that was installed on Dec 12, 1925, 12,861,044 [see Dec 12, 1925 entry at: http://www.mtfca.com/encyclo/doc25.htm ] had been assembled at the River Rouge engine plant and shipped to Highland Park. That engine number that was first stamped into the frame was assembled late in the day of Dec 5 [ref page 533 of Bruce McCalley's (R.I.P.) "Model T Ford" serial numbers from the engine production logs] and was not installed until approximately 7 days later. See: Trent Boggess' entry the 10th one down at the posting http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/29/8925.html for a discussion of that engine and frame stamping.
For 1925 calendar year Ford USA assembled 1,775,245 Model T and TTs. Of those only 111,418 were assembled at the Highland Park Plant so approximately 0.063 percent were assembled at the Highland Park (Detroit area) plant. The other 93.7 percent were assembled at the various USA plants.
If folks with engine numbers between around Dec 1, 1925 number 12,823,127 to Mar 31, 1926 number 13,454,889 could let us know if their frame is or is not stamped with the engine number that might help us determine how long before most of the branch plants were also stamping the frames.
And of course if you know the engine was swapped (very easy to tell if the frame and engine number do not match) harder if the frame was not stamped. Note there also appears there is a chance that a frame every now and then may have been stamped incorrectly. Seems like there was one on the forum where the engine number and frame number differed by only two digits and it appeared the two digits in the frame number had probably been transposed when it was stamped. I am not a statistician, but I would think the odds of the frame number and a swapped out engine number being the same except for two digits in a row would be very low.
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Hi Willie, I am just starting to post here. Where did Luke and Jeff find this gem in the rough ?
My thoughts are that a Improved style engine, with a Dec 19 number in an unstamped frame. is a good indication of this engine, may always have been in that chassis. We are back to a "what are the odds" type of thing, but I feel the timelines will work, if considering the branches timelines of installing engines. Can you post a photo of the rear axle drain plug (square hole or hex head)and also the rear axle backing plates. Also do the radius rods have one nut or two nuts at the u-joint end. One other item that may be of interest, is the drive shaft torque tube. Is it a "stepped design" or more of a "straight taper".? I know, its a lot of questions but they may help with some of the research on the Improved models ... If some of the answers are what I hope them to be, then it just shows how important saving everything is ... Thanks ...
Donnie, here is an attempt to take a few more pictures, sun was at the wrong angle.
Radius rod has two nuts.
rear end plug is square
torque tube is not the step type (gradual taper)
I think the coils need to hit the trash.
Brooks, I think those parts were on Craigslist and were located in Conroe.
Willie: Thanks for the photos. The 2 nut radius rods, the small rivet no drain backing plate, the straight taper torque tube, as well as no number on the frame, all fit my thoughts of early 26 parts. The square hole plug adds another possible dating (your engine number) to narrow it down a little more. Just curious, are both backing plates the same.? Sometimes one housing was changed. I just noticed that your rear cross member has no reinforcing flanges on it. That is another earlier part although it runs a little later in the model year. If you are not aware of the studies of the improved models, you can do a keyword search from the menu at the top of the page. Search the words "1926-27 Improved Models a study of" and click the box for searching subject lines. All that should show up is the studies. I have been asking everyone to not use those words in their own postings for the title or subject lines. So far there has been good response to the studies. Im about ready to start again ... Thanks again for the photos