Can you help me date these items

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Model T Ford Forum: Forum 2014: Can you help me date these items
Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Kraft on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 02:12 pm:

My pieced together model T came with a lot of extra parts. Can you help me put a date on any of these, and do any of these go to the same year vehicle? Thanks much
Mag plates

Hogs heads

Pans
Top peices?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 02:20 pm:

Gotta go. Not going to take the time to look anything up, but that's a 26-27 low pedal on the starter hogshead. Look at the encyclopedia on this website. It should help you with a lot of this dating homework.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Walter B. Szumowski on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 07:25 pm:

The field ring on the left has no starter notch therefore it would have 1/4 inch wire and used on coil testers and pre-starter cars 17ish thru 19ish. The field ring on the right is a Fordson tractor coil, that could be either 1/4 or 3/16's wire.
Walter B. Szumowski


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Royce in Georgetown TX on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 07:53 pm:

The top bows appear to be 1915 - 1917 touring.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Wayne Sheldon, Grass Valley, CA on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 08:10 pm:

Two magneto field coils. The oilier one is a more typical '20s T Ford in apparently better than most condition. Most people still recommend getting a rebuilt one to use as the cotton wrappings are usually rotten and can cause failure regardless of how nice they look. I cannot tell if it has the starter notch or not. It may be about 1917/'18
The other field coil is not so common. It is for a Fordson tractor. Note the widespread three mounting boltholes as apposed to four on the car unit.

The top hogshead with the clutch pedal and bolthole "ears" on its top is 1926/'27. The other hogshead is non-starter and being iron is from about 1916 through 1919.

The three dip pan (with bottom cover)runs from sometime about 1916 through about 1924/'25. The four-dip (longer, but cover missing) pan runs from maybe 1924 or late '25 through the end of model Ts in '27. There is still a fair amount of debate on when they began. There are also several variations on how they are made around the bottom cover opening. Some have a lip, some do not. I do not know when those variations were made. (Something more for Donnie to sort out?)

The top irons may be the oval type, which would make them earlier (pre '18 if they are Ford, maybe later if non-Ford). If they are the square type they would be 1917 to 1922ish. Their condition looks pretty iffy? They may or may not have any real value. It does look like most of a touring two-man top (iron-wise).
The timing cover below the top irons appears to be a 1915 to 1919 non-starter/non-electric Ford T.
Some good stuff!
Drive carefully, and enjoy, W2


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Kraft on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 09:07 pm:

I don't have a fordson tractor. Is there any value in selling that tractor field ring?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Kraft on Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 05:17 pm:

What year do these lamps go to?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 08:48 pm:

Something other than Model T's.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Jack Daron - Brownsburg IN on Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 10:05 pm:

Daniel,I sent you a PM,will you please reply?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Tuesday, November 04, 2014 - 11:04 pm:

Well, I think Mike's a bit off, the top one looks like a very late '16 to later side lamp. Should have "Ford" script on the top cap (lightly stamped in, can be hard to see. The bottom lamp, ???? neat looking though!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Kraft on Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 01:49 am:

Jack, my email doesn't work well on my phone. When I get to the computer I will reply. I apologize for the delay.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 09:47 am:

David -- I think the ring around the lens on that lamp is wider than the T lamps we're familiar with. That's why I thought it was from some other car. I suppose the lens and ring could be from an E&J #6 lamp and put on a later lamp. I never tried that, so I'm not sure it would fit. But the ring looks rusty, and an E&J #6 lamp rim would have been brass.

Or, maybe my eyeball needs calibration and it's a normal lens and ring on a common Model T lamp, as you said. :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Nathan Bright on Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 09:31 pm:

the mag rings look early to mid 20s to me


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Daniel Kraft on Wednesday, November 05, 2014 - 09:47 pm:

Thank you all for your help.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By David Dewey, N. California on Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 12:13 am:

Mike,
I'm half-blind (well, not really, but do only use one eye at a time), so you could be right!
:-)


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