Yesterday we went to the F.A.S.T Hill Climb

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 03:59 pm:

The Model A and B over head valve cars were turning in the nines and we went 11.46. Not bad for a flat head T with a T crank. They have not yet posted the results but I think I won my class. The four port Riley's were turning in the eights. If your crank can stay up all day you can win.

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 04:07 pm:

Congratulations on your win. Who is that good looking guy you let sit in your speedster when you took the photo :-).

You have a very beautiful car.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 04:13 pm:

Frank - How many T's were running the hill?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By George Clipner-Los Angeles on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 04:38 pm:

Way ta go Frank !!
Geo n L.A.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 05:21 pm:

There were four classes and I didn't count all of the entries because they were scattered all over the place and I have a bad hip and limp a lot so I could not walk all around to count them all. There were T bodies with overhead valve A engines and it was confusing.

One stock 1915 T was so slow that it broke the timer and it took them several minutes to fix the timing clocks. It works in seconds and not by the pages on a calendar ;~).

In the T class they had stock bodies with stock engines, modified engines in stock bodies, and overhead and flat head Speedsters. In all I think there were a dozen T's. They had a pile of classes for A's and B's with very technical differences. But a T speedster with a T crank had to run with an oil pressure counterbalanced steel billet crank and any transmission was o.k. Dry clutch and a Zepher transmission was o.k.

So a stock bodied sedan T with a milled head and a T crank runs with an S.R. Fronty or a BBR RAJO with an oil pressure B crank.

They specialize in A's and B's but let T's run to be polite and let any pre 1935 four cylinder car run as long as it has a carburetion and not fuel injection.

You run what you brung and they don't change their rules just to please and to be fair to Model T's. Again they are not a Model T Club and don't understand our systems. But they are very cordial and we had a good time, good food and clean restrooms. We joined their Club to be informed of future events.


The picture is from the drivers seat on the way back from the finish line. I took our son Bill on a run so he could photograph a copy of my 11 second run and we were only one second slower because of his 180 pound addition to the total equation.






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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dennis Seth - Ohio on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 06:11 pm:

Sure!...blame poor Bill with the added weight issue to slow your time...How many doughnuts did you have that morning! :-)

Just kidding Frank


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 06:24 pm:

We didn't have any doughnuts but our car will do them. It cuerped the tires on its fastest run. The hot dogs were the world's best.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 06:46 pm:

Not that it makes any difference but F.A.S.T does have different classes for Model T's so a stock bodied sedan should not have had to compete with a Fronty. I wonder why they did not use their own rules at this event. Frank's car would have been in class T-4. A stock bodied Model T would have been in class T-1 or T-2.

Here is a copy of their own rules for classes:

F.A.S.T. HILL CLIMB CLASSES
Revised 11-11-07

STOCK CLASSES:
S-1 All totally stock open body style Model Aís plus all coupes, cabrioletís and pickups.
S-2 All totally stock closed body style Model Aís, except those listed above in S-1 class.
S-3 Stock Commercial Aís and Tís. (All TT, AA, BB trucks)
ST-1 All body styles as in S-1 with minor changes for touring type of cars. Only A or B blocks allowed, modifications
are limited to a single carburetor of any type, a stock looking head (no Winfield, etc.), stock exhaust system
(muffler change OK), a stock or replacement battery ignition (no magnetos) and a stock or touring cam.
Wheels can be stock Ford, any 16Ē aftermarket or General Jumboís. Any manual transmission and/or overdrive
is allowed. Seat belts required.
ST-2 All closed Aís, as S-2 above.
T-1 Stock Model Tís. (Except TT)

MODIFIED CLASSES:
All must be street-driven cars
M-1 Flathead light, S-1 type of cars plus all flathead powered cars without full fenders.
M-2 Flathead heavy, closed bodied cars as S-2 with modified flatheads.
M-3 Overhead valve light, as M-1 only with OHV equipped engine.
M-4 Overhead valve heavy, as M-2 only with OHV equipment.
M-5 All flathead modified cars with automatic transmission and/or quick change rear end.
M-6 All Overhead modified cars with automatic transmission and/or quick change rear end.
T-2 Modified flathead Model Tís, other than speedsters.
T-3 Modified OHV Model Tís, other than speedsters

SPEEDSTER CLASSES
All must be street-driven cars
SP-1 Flathead A or B powered speedsters.
SP-2 Overhead Valve A or B powered speedsters.
T-4 Flathead powered T speedsters.
T-5 OHV equipped Model T speedsters

HISTORIC and TIME ONLY
Historic: (H) Vintage race cars, pre-1935 American production engines, 4 cylinder only.
TIME ONLY: (T/O) All other 4 cyl. cars that are powered by pre-1935 non-Ford built blocks and those that do not fall
into any of the above classes but meet the safety requirements. Safety committee to make any decisions that may be
necessary. Pre-1935 only, 4 cylinder engines only.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By tim moore on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 06:55 pm:

Frank,

Were you running the "evil" downdraft carburetor? Good job showing those modern boys what a T can do.

Tim Moore


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Gene Carrothers Huntington Beach on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 06:57 pm:

Mike, Thanks for posting the classes for FAST.
I really wanted to go but we had just run Tony Bowkers Speedster run and where out of town in Palm Springs relaxing. Maybe next time and hope they get the classes right by then.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 06:59 pm:

Thank you Mike, I have never seen the rules as you just posted and was confused with the actual classes. When the Long Beach Model T Club ran its hill climb there were more classes and a T crank motor did not have to compete with an A crank motor and their rules were more fair than the F.A.S.T. rules are to T's today. It is still a fun event but perhaps the rules are unfair to some of the T's and they stay away because of the limited classes. After all the F.A S.T. Club states that it is a Model A Club and that is understood. If they had 12 classes for T's an only 12 entered, everybody would come in in first place in their class and that wouldn;t be fun at all.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 07:05 pm:

Gene, I have been to several FAST events, Nebraska, Iowa and Utah. Frank is correct when he says they are a lot of fun and the people have been great.

They have always had several classes for the T's that's why I was surprised to hear that they grouped all of the T's into one class.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Frank Harris from Long Beach & Big Bear on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 09:14 pm:

Mike Vaughn, I didn't say that all T's in one class but I stated that they had four classes. I didn't like the fact that a stock flat head T runs with a modified flat head T but thanks to your posting the reg's, proved that there are actually five classes of T's and I was not aware of that (foot in mouth disease again). So there is T, T1,T2,T3 and T4 It would be nice if they had a class for T cranks and another for modified cranks, i.e. Meyer and Drake - Offenhouser, Scat, A B and C, etc. Because they improve the power a lot and deserve a class. As I stated before, the Long Beach Model T Club had a lot of different classes but the F.A.S.T. Club is a Model A and B Club and the T club did mot allow those cars to run at their event and so we must be thankful that they let us run with them. It's a fun time and they had good food clean rest rooms and welcomed us, what more can you ask for, it was a fun day and very nice folks ;~)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Vaughn on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 10:29 pm:

I agree Frank, they are a good group, I have always had a great time and always been treated really well. Don't forget the T-5 class for overhead T speedsters. I don't mind that they don't separate to the other classes, there are not enough T's running the hill as it is. It's just fun to see them run. And as you said they are accommodating.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Bill Harris, Huntington Beach California on Monday, November 03, 2014 - 10:41 pm:

I have to say that everyone was really friendly & I had a great time with my Dad "Fast Frank" yesterday. I shot a 7 minute video of the event but my Flip Video system will no longer allow uploads to Youtube. I will be presenting the video at the upcoming Orange County and Long Beach meetings :-)


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