Get off your sorry but and go vote!!!!
Who do I vote for? The ones that lie or the other ones that don't tell the truth?
I did that last week vote early and often!
vote with your conscience. To many men died to protect your right to vote not to.
Sadly we have to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils . That is all we can do.
On a funny note,this morning I went to the local fire department to vote.I had been a member there for years, and I am a board member now. So I thought I knew how to operate the door knob to get in.
WRONG. For whatever reason the folks running the election thing had put a rubber handle on the door knob and it would just twist on the knob and the door would NOT open for me.
I stood there wondering if somehow I had woke up in Florida where there is a history of people not being able to open doors.After much pulling and twisting I finally got in. I told the folks I was not from florida but I had trouble getting in the door. I think the entire room laughed and a fellow went over and replaced the duct tape that was supposed to hold the latch in.It is something that was supposed to make the door easier for handicapped people to open.
"I had woke up in Florida where there is a history of people not being able to open doors" Mack? I am from Florida and have not heard of that before... unless it is so pleasant down here that we hardly ever close doors and forget what they are for
did a two weeks ago.
I volunteer here at the election office. Going to be a late night.
Several youth groups work at the election office for fund raising. Boy Scouts, Youth Civil Air Patrol. They get paid.
Yep Ken, sure will! Probly be my last trip out in the T also. Got lotsa cold weather coming in this week.
Not everyone needs to vote. If you don't know who your governor is, your senators, your congressmen, and your state officials as well as the initiatives on the ballot do the informed voter a favor and stay home.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. If you think about it, if someone goes in uninformed and votes party line "just because" they have not done their civic duty and have likely screwed over those better informed.
I firmly believe that is why we are where we are now.
Finally my telephone and answering machine will be once again cool to the touch. I was afraid all the calls were going to burn them out.
The doggone politicians and their toadies made sure they were immune to the do not call law and they took full advantage of it.
Is it true that in Australia they fine people for not voting?
I like that idea.
Five political robo-calls on my answering machine last evening. I enjoyed hitting the delete button as soon as I heard who each one was from, without listening to the lies. It's a pleasure knowing all their anonymous super pac money was wasted on me.
Today I'll go to the polls and cancel out the vote of some poor misguided soul.
I'm with Gary; we don't want unengaged people to vote. Sadly, all the ads now are lies, so it's easier to be misinformed.
This is the first year in 40 years I have considered not to cast a vote. I will still go vote, But I am so damn tired of all the bashing that goes on in there ad's. It seems instead of saying what they wish to do if elected, instead all they do is run each other into the ground. Im to the point I may just walk away. I know that not voting is technically giving my vote to someone else. I seen in California there is a dog on the ballot for some office, I might go vote for the dog
I just got back from voting here in Hillsboro, MO. The place was busier than I've ever seen it, I choose to take it as a good sign.
In Texas, just about every race from Governor to county District Attorney have candidates attacking each other on the same issues, but on opposing sides. Just about the time you think one is better than the other, the other comes out slamming the first candidate with opposing information. I wish there was a non-partisan website where voters in each state could go to check who is telling the truth.
There is a certain congressional race in San Diego which has had the worst mud slinging and defamation of character advertising I have seen in my lifetime. Neither one of the candidates has said what good he would do or what changes he would support if elected. It is just how horrible the other is. Too bad there are only 2 running for that office. Neither of them is worthy of a vote.
It is not my district and I don't have to vote for either one of them. We have whom I believe to be an honorable man in our district, Duncan Hunter, and I will vote to re-elect him.
I use this as my signature on e-mail sums up my political belief.
The White, Black and Latino are about to experience a RUDE AWAKINING! They are about to learn what the indigenous people of this land already know. A promise made by a politician, ergo the government, is only good as long as it is convenient, produces votes, enhances the prominence or enhances the wealth of the politician in question, party affiliation not withstanding. May the Chinook bless you! Iron Horse.
Been voting by mail for years. It gives me the right to complain. ;)
this response is for Will:
Will, I understand your frustration, but please vote...do not abstain!
Personally, I will vote for every office that I am eligible. In some cases, perhaps many, I will be holding my nose while doing so.
Additionally, I will NOT be voting my conscience. I have done so as a "protest" vote for years, voting for candidates who held my values even if they honestly did not have a chance to win. I can no longer do this. This election, I feel compelled to vote for someone who is NOT a communist, socialist, or someone leaning toward those values. I will NOT vote for someone who supports diminishing our defense capabilities or ignores threats from abroad that threaten incursion onto our soil. I will NOT vote for someone who believes their lofty values will somehow, miraculously, deflect deadly microbes. I will NOT vote for anyone who does not plan to defend our borders, language or culture. This makes my choices very clear in every instance. I WILL vote for the other candidate, in every case, no matter how repugnant their campaign has been, so long as they have a statistical chance of defeating any of the above.
I ignore the mud slinging. I focus on the fact that it is our civic duty to vote according to one principal - For the candidate who will up hold and preserve the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as sworn upon their oath. To vote for any other reason is self serving and not in the country's best interest. JMO
If a candidate will tell big lies about his opponent, should I trust his oath to uphold the Constitution? In one recent poll a majority of those questioned believed it was OK for politicians of their own party to lie in order to win. Is it any wonder that we get what we get?
The only thing that pisses me off is that damn electoral college in presidential elections. I feel like I'm wasting my time. What's wrong with one person one vote? why do (about) 4 states elect a president? NG. Needs changing. No matter what side your on if a person gets the most votes they should get the job.
Me 2. I voted early because I knew that I was going to be out of the country.
Like many I most of my votes were not for a particular candidate, they were against someone that was the most unacceptable. I just hope that the people I voted for realize that and don't think I completely agree with them.
I figure that it is best to vote for the best electable candidate and not throw a vote away on a third candidate that I may agree with but has little support so I can help throw a really bad one out.
My real concern is the low information voter
one person, one vote, is pure democracy. We're a Democratic Republic, and while eliminating the Electoral College may feel good or sound good, it does serve a purpose.
I share your concern
It is a SAD state of affairs. There is one light burning around here though, a candidate who's ads say, "here's what I've done, and I will continue to serve if re-elected". Even if I don't agree with the guy, think I'll vote for him simply because he APPEARS to have moral character! (Wait a minute, he's a politician, that doesn't make any sense. . .)
Only informed voters should vote? Informed about what? I consider my family members informed, but misguided; they consider me naive and uninformed. So much so that they have nearly convinced me to not vote as I'm not informed enough to make a good decision.
Liberal used to mean one who is open-minded to listen to all ideas and then make a decision; unfortunately that is not the case today! Either side (sides nowadays being Liberal or Conservative) cannot see any good in the others view. Common ground no longer exists. I fear this will lead to anarchy, and now I get off my soapbox, just in case my family ever sees this and has me put away!
Nice enough day that if my T were running, I'd take it to the polls! Gotta get that puppy together!!
I sympathize with your views on the Electoral College, but consider:
1. The president and Vice President are the only "elected" federal offices. When the founding fathers set up the Electoral College, it was about states rights, not individual voting rights. The individual states elect these two offices, not the collective nationwide electorate.
2. If we did away with the Electoral College, voters in sparsely populated states would be even more disenfranchised than they seem to be now. Do the math. A voters vote in, say Wyoming with a population of under 600,000, has greater swing through the electoral college than he would have in a nationwide popular vote system. The strength of the big dogs, CA, TX, FL, NY, would be increased not diminished.
Just my $.02 worth. Years ago I too thought we should do away with the Electoral College. Now I'm not so sure.
PS - I did vote.
Charlie, a lot of people think that because they have no idea of how the electoral college works!
If we only went by popular vote, your vote would never count.
We would have a one party rule.
Say a state with a large city with thousands of people with the same uninformed voting experience, that do not pay taxes, voting to raise taxes on the ones that do pays taxes.
That is why, with out the electoral college, your vote would not count depending what out come your would be after.
There is only one party that wants to get rid of the electoral college, and it is NOT for fairness reasons!
The true Electoral college meanings, and how it works are all over the net, along with the lies about it. Look for your self and maybe you wouldn't be so wizzed off.
Our for Fathers knew what they were doing, as they had been through it.
Many of us agree with you David. I am not advocating anyone not vote because I don't agree with their viewpoint. What bothers me is when someone doesn't look into the issues or the candidates and votes based on what they have read in their union paper or what they heard on talk radio. Both sides are guilty.
I can tell you the low information voter does more damage to the system than they do to help it. That is why I advocate they stay home.
I knew a woman that 20 years ago told me she didn't know who to vote for so she went with the better looking of the two (this was from the 92 election).
Not only did she fail to do her civic duty, she negated someone who did.
How would you like to be in court one day and have your fate decided by a judge that was better looking than the other guy?
You don't get fined for not voting in New Zealand but you do have to be registered to vote if you are aged 18 or above. I know nothing of US politics (although form the outside it seems very confusing) however some one once said "that for evil to triumph all that is required is for good men to do nothing" So vote The other thing is that after 35 years of elections I am amazed at how people actually inherently choose the right candidate for the right reasons. People are not as easily fooled as politicians spin doctors would like to believe- Karl
"I know nothing of US politics (although form the outside it seems very confusing)..."
Karl, you just don't appreciate cognitive dissonance, unintentional irony, and selective outrage.
That argument doesn't make sense! The truth is that in big states like California, 51 percent of the electorate can take ALL the state's electoral votes. One big state's electoral vote can wipe out many smaller states vote.
Two things about the presidential election should be changed. It would take a constitutional amendment to do so. 1. The primary election should be on the same date in every state. 2. The electoral college should be abolished and the popular vote should determine the winner.
The presidential election is the only one in which every voter in every state votes. It should not be determined who wins the primary before every state has had the chance to vote.
The reason for both the staggered primaries and the electoral college was difficulty of transportation and communication in the days when the constitution was written. The candidates had to travel to campaign. So they would go to one state to campaign, and that state would vote, then go to another state, etc. The electors would convene to elect the president. They could not vote at their separate places of residence and have the vote at the same time and actually have more than one ballot until the president was elected. With modern transportation and communications, a campaign can take place simultaneously by TV, Radio, and Internet, and written communications. Votes can be counted and tabulated at the same time all over the country.
If I had my way there would be no political parties, PACs or large blocs supporting any candidate, but all the funds would be raised by individual contributions. Those contributions would be limited so that the wealthy would not have unfair advantage.
Political parties have undue influence on the candidates, because they rely on support and so they must tow the party line. It is very conceivable that people in one area might be for some of the policies of one party, and against others. The people might be for some policies of both parties, but against others. The way things operate now, the candidates are pledged to the party line or risk cut off of finances. So they end up instead of representing the constituents of their district, but instead they represent their political party.
Of course, if parties were abolished, the voters would have to do some homework to decide who to vote for instead of just marking D or R.
I agree with all you said except abolition of the electoral college, Norm. One of the main issues over 200 years ago was states rights vs. a strong federal government. The electoral college is a key component in the preservation of what's left of states rights, which are nearly all gone at this point.
Your last sentence hits on one of our most fundamental problems. Every issue is argued republican/democrat, red/blue, conservative/liberal due to our two party system. The truth is that there are many shades of gray between the polarized arguments that never see the light of day. The two party system has no virtues that I know of. One of the best things that could happen would be the elimination of all political parties. We'd be forced to vote for candidates and issues based on merit. What a concept.
Again, just my $.02 worth.
In 1789 the founders writing the Constitution didn't envision parties as they developed, but develop they soon did, and Federalists and Anti-Federalists were going at each other hammer and tongs. Even during the so-called Era of Good Feelings, with the Federalist party collapsed and James Monroe trying to run a non-partisan administration, there were political squabbles in and about the government.
As for the number of parties, in the United States there have always been two main parties and a few very small "third" parties. Occasionally one of those third parties would gain support with voters and grow. What typically happened then was that one of the two main parties would adopt the third party's most popular ideas, and that third party would shrink and often disappear.
You can have one party like China, two like the United States, or even a squabbling swarm of them like Italy, but parties seem to be a natural feature of politics.
The last Real President.
Yes we are fined here in Australia if we don't go and vote. We are told that it is our right to vote, it's just not our right to refuse to vote for some lying bastard.
If it was not for the fact that you were fined for not voting, the whole process would be over in a couple of minutes as nobody with any brains would put these lower forms of life in office.
We need to start a new political party made up of U.S. citizens who have passed a lie detector when ask if they have ever told a lie to benefit themselves or someone they know. You must also not know anything about being politically correct or must think it is nonsense. And you must know what it takes to win a War and be willing to execute. Then in my opinion you just might have enough people on the same side and in one Party to fix this Country. That is if we would be in the majority and if not we don't and won't have a chance at fixing things. So Vote! Oh yes scrap the electoral collage. Just an old guy's $00.02
Just posted this on another thread, and it belongs here, too.
Those who think spending on the military is always right are drowning us in red ink. The Military Industrial Security Complex is wasting $Trillions and burning our Constitution..
For starters: the F-35, a $1.5 Trillion program that is ten per cent of our national debt. What enemy will we use it on? It succeeds the F-22, another $Trillion program that has hardly fired a shot in anger. It's corporate welfare pork.
Lindsay can double the power by putting TWO hoses in each politician. One in his mouth and - - - .
Out here in California, we have a large state with large rural areas (folks back east won't believe that, but it's true, I live in a forest area with few neighbors). The same compromise to provide rural areas with a voice that is used in the US Constitution (House by population, Senate by States) was written in the CA constitution, Senate by counties. Well, back in the late 50s (I think, don't have time to look it up with dial-up) the US Supreme Court ruled (Incorrectly, I believe) that the state had to give "one man, one vote" and our Senate elected by counties, did not follow that. So now we have two houses, but both elected by population, and us in the rural counties are ruled by those in the big cities, mainly LA & SF. It hasn't been good for us and I wish someone would ask the Supreme Court to review that ruling. Meantime, there is the movement alive to split the state (likely never happen due to the current legal limitations of doing so). What a mess!!
I also think the Electoral College is a good thing.
Norm said - "Of course, if parties were abolished, the voters would have to do some homework to decide who to vote for instead of just marking D or R."
All I could think of is voters could either put the vehicle in D and drive off the cliff, or R and back away from it. Today that used R!
Mark S, I like Harry too and I'm a conserv.
America has spoken. The democrats reap what they sow. Voters know how to tell when someone is telling the truth. It matters.
Hopefully the restoration of America has begun!
Obamacare software was months behind. F-35 software was eight years behind, and nobody canceled that program.
Lying about software does not compare to lying about WMD as an excuse to invade and largely destroy Iraq. ISIS was born in a large US prison camp in Iraq.
The "Conservative" Koch brothers pour hundreds of millions into every election. They want to kill Social Security and Medicare. Put that formula into your own future.
Ralph that set of lies as been trotted out unsuccessfully by generations of democrats who don't remember why they vote.
Obama was an inexperienced junior senator who was elected by those who cared not about his abilities but about his words and his race.
The man hasn't taken responsibility for anything except killing Osama Bin Laden.
Tonite he will surely blame someone else for the huge wave of losses his party experienced.
Bringing up WMD's is just silly almost a decade later.
G.R, I remembered some cartoons I had saw in the local paper after the "dimpled chad" incident in florida of a man pushing on a door that had "pull" wrote on a sign.
It was talked about alot around here anyway.
As for that electoral college, I am all for changing it to each persons vote counts toward or against.
No need in 3 or 4 states that did not exist during the development of our country to decide who leads it.
We should ALL be able to have a say in our leadership. Win or loose, at least we could all feel like we tried to do our part.
What the real shame is we have a change in power now,and chances are they will just gridlock for 2 years and we will have a worse situation of people of both sides ready to hang the entire government on the clothes line.We have no choice but to put our confidence in the people we elect. Sadly they have figured out how to take advantage of that.
I dont think there could possibly be as much mud slung anywhere else than NC for Kay hag's job. 110 million dollars worth of mud.
Not withstanding the fact that virtually every head of state concluded at the time that Iraq had WMD, the NY Times published a story 3 weeks ago that makes it appear that there were in fact WMD in Iraq...in part:
The article by Times reporter C.J. Chivers focused on U.S. soldiers who suffered from exposure to the sulfur mustard and other nerve gases which emitted from the bombs. According to the story, about "5,000 chemical warheads, shells or aviation bombs" were found scattered across Iraqi soil. The U.S. government buried the cases from both the public and the troops. As a result, injured soldiers did not receive proper medical treatment.
Bush is nowhere near my favorite President, but he was a rocket scientist and choir boy, compared to the present occupant of the WH.
Most politicians the way I see it, do not want you registered to vote. They do not want to prevent illegal aliens from voting and we need more than a few hours for voting for example we
should be able to vote on a Friday weekend.
Voting should be laid out over a period of several days, for example President on Mondays,
Senators on Tuesdays, Representatives on Fridays, and local elections on Saturday.
i voted for this guy
There is an old saying that, "Those who can do, and those who can't teach." I t seems we have a whole bunch who automatically seem to want to teach but are not honest or able to teach. In other words we have too many politicians trying to educate us as to what is good for us, rather than asking what we want. We send them to represent us and they pay little or no attention
to those who put them often. As someone above said " vote and vote often. It seems that I go to the polls every two years because those who represent me care less what I say.
What do you identify someone who is 1/2 black and 1/2 white ? He has sold out 1/2 of his heritage and does not even he is 1/2 white
One great thing about a Model T is that it has no political opinion.
If we continue to see gridlock now, the blame will rest solely on the shoulders of one man who was not on the ballot, but whose policies were, every single one of them.
"Bringing up WMD's is just silly almost a decade later."
Until you consider ISIS and most of our Islamic problems were born out of that series of lies.
Look at what Iran is doing with centrifuges to get nuclear capability. Iraq was doing none of that. The chemical weapons they had were left over from the 1980s Iraq Iran war, in which we supplied both sides. If the 15-20 year old weapons were usable, why didn't Saddam use them on our troops?
They're already talking about exporting US oil on Bloomberg tv this morning. It has been illegal for 40 years. Don't look for cheap gas in your future.
Most of you have just voted against your own future wealth and well being.
"Most of you have just voted against your own future wealth and well being...."
Yeah, its been so good the last 6 years we lost our minds.
ISIS is a direct result of running like girls from Iraq for political purposes.
Yes. Iran is as dangerous now as Iraq was then. What is this administration doing about it? Trying to befriend them and likely making deals to allow them the nuclear ability.
This president took action that was interpreted as misunderstood brilliance instead of the nonsensical randomness that it was.
Nothing intelligent at all about this guy. Just a bunch of people who wished it to be so.
The proof is in the results.
oh...and regarding the race thing. Its the Liberals that make race and gender an issue...every time. They are the ones that promote special exemptions and programs based upon race. They are the ones that concocted this so called "war on women"
They are the ones that will patronize and economically imprison people for their own gain.
They are also the ones that have no understanding of the damage they do.
RD, you're full of crap! Our nation or any other Western nation had absolutely nothing to do with the rise of ISIS. They hate us because we've boldly entered into a new and civilized Millenium. They hate us because of our modernity and creature comforts. They've already killed more innocent Muslims than all our Allied armies in a decade. And they hate us because they have no Model T s "Sorry politicians are elected by good people who fail to vote"
That's a personal attack, George, and used when the facts aren't on your side.
now now children behave.... or take it out on a football field.........
Thanks to all who voted correctly.
I voted for Scott Conger yesterday as a write in for a local office here. It was not a frivolous vote, as I thought he would find it interesting and would be a good fit. But realize now I might have forgotten to email him this....
although NH elected Shaheen (D) over Brown (R) it was interesting to see how the counties voted.
The border counties went for Brown while the North counties went for Shaheen.
Based on political philosophy we would have expected it to be the other way around because the south has many Mass Holes and the north is generally more conservative.
We expect that the the real NH people didn't think about the political philosophy - they were upset over another Mass hole invading the state so they forgot to think.
In the meantime there is now proof that Shaheen was one of the senators that strong armed the IRS to come down on conservative groups - something the main stream media forgot to mention.
All this to say that it has a
All this to say that many people don't think- they are emotional
Nobody I voted for won, but I voted with a clear conscience for the best candidates on the ballot.
I have come to the conclusion that they ( the Politicals) will when they get into office will cheat steal, and lie to stay in office. It is difficult to really know whom to trust, one reason for term limits are necessary and to get a government pension only after no more than 20 years and out at a 50 percent retirement, instead
of being able to be on the dole after four years.
Individuals running for election or re-election should be limited to what a one year salary is worth. In other words if you are running for president or for re-election the amount you could spend on your campaign would be about $250,000.00.
"You can always tell when a man's well-informed. His views are pretty much like yours."
In an effort to protect Obama and to prevent him from having to veto all the bills he does not like and being labeled as an obstructionist president, Harry Reid has, for the past 3 years, held up 380 bills submitted to the Senate by the House, thus, virtually nothing has been done by the Senate in all that time. Even many of the embarrassed Democrat senators are relieved that Reid has been toppled from his leadership post so they can finally get back to work doing what they were elected to do as the new leader of the Senate, Mitch McConnell undoes the damage caused by Reid and reverts the Senate back to its' original purpose, as a deliberative body there to serve the people and not the President and a few power hungry Democrat Senators.
I am very happy and hopeful about the outcome of the election in that perhaps we will finally see some sanity come out of the Senate. In time, it will be the Liberals turn to be happy when the voters forget how bad the Democrats screwed it up, but for now, it is my turn. Don't tell me not to enjoy it.
Isis is not the fault of George Bush taking action in Iraq. That would be like blaming a fork for making one fat. The facts are, fanatics of the religion of peace will never rest until everyone thinks and believes as they do. This is historical fact that goes back to the seventh century. Trying to lay the hatred of the religion of peace at the foot of George Bush is disingenuous and shallow thinking.
These groups will continue to surface and we can meet them head on or buddy up and make apology so they will like us (oh wait, we tried that and it didn't work so well).
The majority here in Washington voted against me so now we will have gun registration here which in my opinion is the beginning of a police state.
What a bunch of 2nd amendment hating knuckleheads.
Ralph, I love you like a brother. We may not be on the same political page, but that does't matter to me. I wish you well ... please take care of yourself!!!
"I've spun so much in my grave for the last 6 years that I have Struck OIL!" Ronald Reagan
George - I have spoken to a few people form the Middle East (who are not ISIS supporters) and they believe that the US has been dabbling in their domestic politics for years and they don't like it. If this is true or not I don't know. However the important thing is that they believe it to be true. Surprisingly I don't think they want modernity or creature comforts -Karl
Once we get thru' the present presidential term, I wonder what would happen if, for one whole presidential term, we (United States) just minded our own business, stopped being the world's policeman, cut out all the foreign aid and let 'em all hate us for nothing!
your water is about to be shut off...
Karl & Harold, for years, my late father, R.I.P., has said we stick our nose in too many places too much. I think he was right. Like you said Karl, these people really want to just live their own lives, their own way. And so what? Let 'em! It's their business. Harold, couldn't agree with you more, good ol' pappy said those same words long ago also.
"Like you said Karl, these people really want to just live their own lives, their own way."
That is incorrect and shows a lack of understanding of the "religion of peace". "Their own way" is to attack anyone they don't agree with period (including their own).
The United States has a long history of being attacked by Muslims. Research the Barbary Coast Pirates and Jefferson's response to them. Prior to our independence, the British Navy protected American merchant ships. Once the crown no longer afforded us protection due to our independence, they attacked our ships, stole, kidnapped, etc. Many just wanted to pay them off. Jefferson however was against it and pursued them.
That is one early unprovoked record of them attacking the United States but there are many. It cannot be rationalized and explained away in a manner that "we brought it on ourselves". To make apology to a people as misguided as they are only serves to strengthen them. To draw back and allow them to fester unchecked would be a disaster.
One thing that gets me is the people who say we have a human rights responsibility to those at our southern border but think we should be hands off at the innocent killing of women, Christian's, etc., in the countries where the "religion of peace" reigns.
Thank you Gary I thought I was the only one who knew about the Barbary wars and why Jefferson actually had a Koran, He had to know our enemy!
Hmmm... My Muslim roomy never tried to behead me, or anything like that. Could it be that ISIS and all those festering maniacs in Pakistan represent Muslims in the same way that Joseph Kony or Jim Jones represent Christians? I don't think any religion has a monopoly on murderous fanatics.
Mubarek, Kadaffi, Hussein, and Assad...all strong-men dictators who kept a lid on their festering masses and generally kept them from killing each other. Take centuries-old grudges which demand murderous retribution and stir in a little bit of koran-style justice and you have a recipe for a Toyota load of fanatics. There is NO other culture/religion that matches it. Expecting these people to embrace democracy was childish wishfulness, and removing or trying to remove the aforementioned dictators was an epic mistake. We did not create these monsters, but we sure let them loose. The least we can do is protect the world from them...and better there than here.
Looks like there is a God after all! Glad to see Harry Reid finally get the ax! Now they won't have to burn incense in the Senate to hide the smell of sulfur!
Got this e-mail yesterday:
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative, and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat.
Thank's Dick! Until i read your post i was sorry i had started this thread.Bud.
Although this thread is OT it is the best OT thread in months.
Dick - I'm thinking that maybe Illinois people (especially Chicagoans) should specify in their will how they wish to vote in the "hereafter"!
......and yes,......I was born and raised in the Chicago area......
What would our nation look like if we were all as passionate about helping one another as we are about politics? Maybe we wouldn't have a need for food stamps, social security, or welfare programs.
Maybe younger folk would take an interest in their history and a few more T's would be saved. Maybe your car club or swap meet wouldn't be dying...
On the other hand, it's easier to be a slave on the political plantation.
A (politically) cynical young person.
Gary, Thanks for posting the best political comment I've ever seen on here or any other site! Very refreshing, Sadly true.
Gary, "Maybe younger folk would take an interest in their history and a few more T's would be saved." What the f? The other day when some dink sold his Grandfathers uniform on Pawn Stars I was told several times his disregard for history wasn't indicative of our current political state. And now you turn and make a statement like that. Be careful, if too many people agree with you their noses will grow. Oh and yes I agree with you and I don't feel my nose is going to change one iota.
Go back and re-read my posts on that ridiculous thread. I stand by each of them, as I do my post above. Actions speak louder than words. And my nose is just fine, thanks.
Gary, I have to apologize. I didn't go back and re-read that thread because as I recall, it wasn't you that was saying our younger folks current state of disregard for history wasn't indicative of our current political situation. The reason for the apology is for causing you to misunderstand my point. I shouldn't have said "you turn and" this was the wrong choice of words and didn't apply to you. It sure as heck took me by surprise to hear you say it but I shouldn't have generalized and tried to give you the responsibility for something you didn't do. You're still my hero.
Geez, I just went back and re-read my 09:46 pm post in this thread and realized why I have trouble posting on this forum. I'm finding it hard to get a grasp on whatever it is I'm trying to say. I'm going to bow out now and maybe I'll be back some other day.
No need to apologize; I appreciate your sincerity. Based on your post(s), I would surmise that we voted similarly. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that we should all take the opportunity to look after, teach, and mentor others. Politics, in my opinion, are nothing more than superficial answers to deep cultural and spiritual issues (my apologies for bringing 'religion' into the discussion, but I'm a Christian minister, so it comes with the territory).
Like the generation of our venerated Mr. Ford, I believe strongly in personal and social responsibility - what I meant to articulate is that we all bear the burden of the current cultural climate; and we all have the answer. I just happen to believe that it involves a little more than pulling a lever in the voting booth. The politicians would like us all to believe otherwise...that's all.
And that's why you are my hero! Oh, and from now on I'll try to be a little more polite and avoid trying to impress with my vulgarity. Oh man, now I'm all red in the face.
Mike, just be yourself.
My apologies for all for getting political & religious in the same post. I'll get back to perfecting the asphaltum paint recipe now
Gary, that was pretty interesting too. There's something about going back to original that just seems right, and it sounded like that's your goal.
My problem is I just want to drive my Model T and not worry about it being super correct. For me, the fun is just keeping it running and then driving it.
And you can get political and religious as far as I'm concerned. Sometimes that's where the fun lies.
Mike, don't tell anybody, but I'm actually a hot-rodder
Trying to build a late 30's style "hop up" or "gow job", so getting the little details right is important (and personally satisfying).
One day I'd like to do a factory-style restoration of a T; penance, I guess, for a mis-spent youth
Those old gow jobs are the best. I've got a speedster from a '25 T. I can't take credit for building it and the running gear for the most part is stock but I've got my dreams.
Gary you are correct. We should all spend more energy taking care of those who really need it. Problem is many people do less of that as they expect the government to do it now.
For a little levity this OT thread on the Model T forum is going OT with this talk about model T's.
All those who did not vote should find a Veteran and explain why.