Is there some kind of hardener I can use over rattle can paint in order to make it more durable like professional spray booth paint?
I don't know about a harder topcoat, but I get good, durable results using Rustoleum and baking it in the oven for a half hour at 250 deg F.
Would that be your wife's oven? Just curious.....
But, you could check Craigslist for a cheap secondhand oven and put it in the garage just for baking paint and powdercoat - just a thought.
One thing for sure, there's a reason why you can get rattle cans at Mao Mart for a buck. You get what you pay for.
Not all rattle can paint comes from Mao Mart for a buck. I just painted the wheels on my Jeep Pickup with Valspar rattle can paint. It's the same paint that comes in their $48 per gallon can, it just has it's own propulsion system so I don't have a paint gun to clean up when I'm done.
How do you like the look??
Val-Spar is really good paint, I use it all the time and it holds up well. A few years back I painted the rear fenders for a model A pick up for a friend and they came out really well. I did use the gallon and hardener for those but the rattle cans are as good. KGB
My wife started buying Krylon Fusion at K Mart when its on sale. It's pretty good stuff.
Stan.. The wheels look great. How many cans to do the body?
Well, I could be a Valspar sales rep! After learning about it here on the forum, I tried it, and I swear by it! The proof is in the pic attached, plus the can for reference. Can only get it at Lowe's. Bill, if the car spends as much time in the garage as most do, this paint should hold up a long time for you. So far this is one year on my Model A fenders. Just make sure it says Paint Plus Primer at the top of the can. They're not all the same! Well there it goes again, on it's side. Sorry!
I bake paint in the oven and have never really noticed a bad smell. No wife but I do run the exhaust fan. But then my nose is accustom to those kind of odors!
If you need black or white the Rustoleum epoxy appliance enamel is really tough.
I have had several tools (including a large pipe wrench) slide down the front fender of my 15' and no scratches !
I think both Lowe's and Home Depot carry it.
One of the fellows in our club painted the black parts on his speedster with a rattle can. He used Appliance Epoxy. I think it only comes in black, white, & almond. I too have used it on small stuff like a speedometer case, coilbox, etc. It dries hard and pretty glossy.
If you really want to try something different, some friends of mine painted one of their cars with house paint (several coats), then a good quality clear coat. It turned out amazingly well.
"Is there some kind of hardener I can use over rattle can paint in order to make it more durable like professional spray booth paint?"
To answer your question -- no. Hardener is a single component of a paint system. The quality of a topcoat is inherent in the paint itself, not a result of what you apply over it to make it better. If you wanted to apply a catalyzed topcoat over the existing rattle can finish you have already applied, it will only mean that you have a superior finish over an inferior substrate. Ultimately, the inferior substrate will fail, negating the benefits of the new topcoat you have applied.
Ya look at all those late 80's early 90's peeling factory paint jobs. LOL
Good luck finding paint that went off the market 20+ years ago and wasn't available to the public -- I live in the present!
Painted seven years ago with rattle can Rustoleum. So far, so good.
I really liked the epoxy that Jim did all the testing on I used it several times with great results.
Sense I bought my first can of Valspar paint+primer, it would be a hard decision to use anything else, a few thing's I've painted with it looked as good as Tim's Model A fender. Those results are un heard of out of a rattle can.
Buy one can and try it then you'll know.
Wow, thanks for all the input; looks like I'll be making a trip to the hardware store tomorrow! That Valspar sure looks good!
That is my experience with Valspar paint and primer in one. Best rattle can paint I've ever seen. IMHO too many of the old cars are painted with modern paint that is far too glossy. Personally, I like the look of Acrylic Enamel with no hardener in it.
In answer to the question about the Jeep Pickup paint. I bought it in primer. It was sanded and primed in 1986, taped off to paint, never painted and had been parked inside since then. I bought it an auction a couple months ago and have gradually been bringing it back to life. It's a nice little pickup, 38,650 actual miles, came out of Yellowstone Park where it was a fire support vehicle, owned by a collector in Livingston for many years. It's almost totally original, has the little 134 F head engine so it's really slow and gutless but should be fun. The kids and I are planning a trip to the mountains with it when it has brakes and a heater, we are going to shoot .22's at cans and targets and cut a tree for mom sometime in December. I have 5 other 4 wheel drive pickups including a fairly new Dodge, a super duty F-250, an IHC Scout & two other Fords but the jeep should be more fun for a Christmas tree expedition.
As far as paint, it won't get painted unless the primer starts to chalk and get ugly. Then I will paint it with my Graco HVLP outfit. It will have a few runs, not meet body shop paint standards or pass the criticism of the experts on this forum but it will be just right for the kids and I.
Here in Ventura we have a guy at Car Quest who can match ANY custom color paint in a spray can. He will add a hardener to the paint if you want it more durable. He scans a sample of the color for you and matches to an existing color or a custom mix if no existing color matches. It is a completely custom system, and he mixes the paint in the can from scratch.
This is NOT cheap. A can of this stuff is $25. If you want hardener added, you have about an eight hour window in which to apply it before it sets up in the can. For undercarriage I use hardener (black), for most other things I get it w/o the hardener, so I can continue to use it later.
I suspect this service is available for many of you if you look around. Find out where the professional auto painters get their stuff.
Hope this is helpful.
Tim Wren and I exchanged several emails after I posted photos of how well Valspar Primer+Paint in one panned out on my '27 Tudor.
Nice to see Stan Howe on board too because it is THE best spray paint ever as far as I'm concerned.
I have used the Krylon equivalent but it runs much more easily but seems to cure faster.
I've always been a Rustoleum fan as well but no spray I've ever used delivers a shine like Valspar.
Eastwood carries a rattle can paint with hardener. There is a button/valve on the bottom to add the hardener.
Eastwood carries a rattle can paint with hardener. There is a button/valve on the bottom to add the hardener. Sounds like it would work but I have not tried it.
I read in an earlier post that there is a big difference between Valspar regular spray paint and their PAINT + PRIMER IN ONE like Tim Wrenn showed in this post.
I have searched for the PAINT + PRIMER IN ONE on the internet (Lowe's, ACE, etc.), but I cannot find it available. Valspar here in Spain doesn't carry any spray paints and they don't have any information about this special spray paint. Is it really still available? Can anyone cite a reference number for it?
You can also go to many professional auto body paint suppliers and they can put the higher quality more durable auto paints into a spray can. They can put the clear top coats into the spray can as well.
Tried to find the Valspar.
So got this at ACE Hardware, the competition, Krylon.
Will try it out.
I know rustoleum has a good following, and if Steve thinks it's good it must be good. But I will step over rustoleum to get VanSickle I painted a trailer over 10 years ago and you can just see some rust at the welds and the trailer new rusted in 3 years. I painted the frame and the under part of my hack, and I got best of show out of 50s and 60s cars with judges that grew up with those cars and if you have ever been to a car show that's tough competition. I forgot to say there were 250 cars at the show. gene
I've been using Valspar spray enamel for years and like it a lot. Not the 2-in-1 type, the kind with the primer in a separate can. It is not bad to run (much better than Rust-Oleum), yet it flows well. Usually you get one or the other of those characteristics, but the Valspar has both.
Based upon the rave reviews here regarding the paint + primer from Valspar, I'll certainly try some the next time I'm replenishing my spray can supply. But I will be surprised if it performs better than what I've been using.
Eric...all I know is about the only place in the U.S. you can find the Valspar Paint + Primer In One in the rattle can is at Lowe's. And since the cans all look the same, even those without the primer, you really gotta be careful and read the can carefully, as it's small print up at the very top, per my picture. I seem to remember searching for this via Valspar's website also and couldn't find it at all, but it is at the store. Naturally never having been to Spain, I don't know if you have the "big box" store to go to or not?
I might try Dave White's suggestion too someday about having a pro paint store put top quality paint in a rattle can. I'm a big fan of Acrylic Enamel and would like to try that too. I don't own any air spray equipment at the moment, so maybe that would be an alternative at least for small jobs.
Paint needs to be made locally since shipping is virtually impossible by air or sea which pretty much precludes bringing it from the USA. No Lowe's here in Spain, but the local Valspar representative was kind enough to offer to check the possibility of it's existence in Europe if I could give him a reference number. Since I can't find it on the internet I don't have a ref number. I did give him the photo of the can but it doesn't seem to be enough.
Going to check around for other paints now that I see Krylon also offers a primer+paint combination.
Thanks for your input guys!
"Tried to find the Valspar.
So got this at ACE Hardware, the competition, Krylon.
Will try it out."
VALSPAR is most excellent but you walked right past the superior stuff. ACE brand gloss black enamel has more solids per oz. and better shine and retention than any other spray can type paint Ive found. When applied with "hot air" pushing it around it goes on easier if not better (due to ease of use) than a catalyzed urethane.
Krylon Fusion gloss black, Rustoleum clear coat:
Since Bill brought up ACE, I should mention mention their epoxy appliance enamel. I used it on these TT wheels seven years ago and they still look fine (except for the dust ). They've been indoors, so I don't know how they'd do in weather. Pretty well, I expect, especially with a coat of car wax. I shouldn't have included this picture along with the car wheels I posted above. It's Rustoleum on the car wheels and ACE on these.
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Our local Long Beach CAL Automotive paint store will mix up a batch of paint in your color and then combine it with the hardener and fill up some rattle cans for you. Then you use it as you need it a little bit at a time . BUT you must hold the can up-side -down in order to clear the tip real well.
Been using Rustoleum gloss black for years for all my chassis parts. Can't beat it!
Larry,.....I think it was here on the forum awhile back, that I read that for whatever reason (EPA maybe?) the company that makes Rustoleum has changed the format of their entire line of paint. Do you know anything about that? I've always used it too, and I'm thinking,......oh well,.......nothing's forever, right? Seems like every time you find something you really like, it changes! I seem to have trouble today using the "keyword" thing, so thought I'd ask about it here,......harold
If the EPA would keep their nose out of things, we would all be happier!
About 10 years ago, someone, I think Chevron, donated a LOT of Rustoleum paint to the Portola Railroad museum. This stuff had been around many years, and it gets COLD up there in the "high country" (about 5,000 feet) so I called Rustoleum to see if the paint was any good. "As long as you can stir it and it's not lumpy, it should be good. And it's the old fish oil based paint that is better than what we can make now."
That was over 15 years ago, so there you have it!
BTW, the paint worked out just fine!