Model t body info, what is it?

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Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 05:59 pm:

Hey everyone,

I have recently acquired some model A and T bits. The model A bits are pretty straight forward since it was the 1 ton truck (model AA). The model T bits are a different story. Here is what got.

There is 2 frames, one is stamped so I know it is a 1926 Canadian model. The second one is not stamped that I can find so far. It does have running boards still attached so maybe the pictures of that will help. I know that if there is no stamped numbers it is early 1924 or before. It does have the 2 speed Ruckstell rear end in it and has the wood spooked wheels and it looks like it was black in color.

There is 3 engines, 2 Canadian models and one USA model. One is a 1924 and still turns over. From what know about the stuff it was running when removed. The other 2 are stuck and one of these is a 1926, the other I haven't looked at yet but would be a parts unit anyway.

The body looks to me like it may have been a pickup model but I can't find numbers on it anywhere. The rear fenders I have though don't seem to match a pickup model but more like a sedan/touring model, so I really don't know. I kinda think the the frame and body went the the 1924 engine. Have a look at the pictures I am adding and let me know what you guys think.Frame pic 1Frame pic 2Body pic 1Body pic 2Body pic 3Body pic 4


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 06:06 pm:

The body appears to be a '26-7 Runabout.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Thursday, November 06, 2014 - 11:53 pm:

Would there be a number of this body on it somewhere? Where would that be?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By John Page on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 12:04 am:

Pictures from past Forum Thread.






Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 12:08 am:

No numbers were stamped in the '26-'27 runabout(roadster) bodies. Yours appears to have a good deal of rust and a lot of bullet holes :-(




The T frame on top of the Model A frame is for 1925 and earlier T's


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 12:23 am:

The roadster body may have had a pick up bed in the rear - or a turtle deck. Even if it's rusty it should be restorable, patch panels are available from Howells. Value as is about $400?
more if you find restorable doors in the pile.

Only the canadian '26/'27:s were stamped with a body number on the cowl. The letter may hint what plant it was assembled at. Closed US 26/27 bodies (tudors?) sometimes have numbers on the mid crossmember in the subframe that may have similar meaning.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 01:01 am:

Dan, I would like to have a manual showing all the Model T components like the image you posted. By part number too if possible. Is there a single manual containing all of this?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 01:49 am:

Stamping serial numbers on Model T frames began in December, 1925 (1926 model year). Before that the serial number was only on the engine. Here's a very helpful frame ID chart by Gavin Harris.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 03:06 am:

Thanks guys. I kinda figured I had pile of this and that and the something else......lol. There was a chevy firewall (as seen in the odd pic) as well as a couple of old early 20's chevy motors. A couple of 1926 dodge bros engines, one of which still turns over, and a bunch of bits for the model AA (model a truck) engine included.

I think most of the roadster is there. There is what appears to be door skins (wood frames for the doors?), some fenders, steering columns, hoods, rads, rad cowls and so on. Not 100% sure what goes to what yet. I am going to have to get hold of some exploded parts diagrams to be able to tell what goes to what. I have not found any online at this point without having to buy one and I want to make sure I get the right one. I would even take a micro fish since I have a projector for them. We use them for our older tractor parts manuals (came from a retired dealer).

So far my cost into this is more or less nothing. A little of fuel to get the stuff and my time. The guy didn't want any money just a hand doing some wiring on a monarc he is restoring, which is something I have little issues with. I am going to send a letter off to a family friend and see if he knows more. This stuff actually was his originally, and he gave it to the guy I got it from. He didn't want the stuff, it just came with the other thing he wanted. You know one of those all or nothing deals.... Any way I was chatting with my dad tonight and it is possible that this was one the cars that our family friend got from my dad's farm long before I was thought of..... We will see.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 05:17 am:

Wood framed doors were earlier, 26/27 were all steel. Here are a couple of ebay auctions for 26/27 roadster/touring front doors with pictures:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/model-T-roadster-touring-right-side-door-/380998061493
http://www.ebay.com/itm/26-27-model-T-roadster-touring-left-side-door-/361051316 128


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 05:27 am:

About the rest of the parts - just post more detailed photos here, all Ford and most other brand stuff will likely be identified very quickly :-)


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steve Jelf, Parkerfield KS on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 08:46 am:

Yes, more detailed. You want them sharp and larger to to show the details.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 09:50 am:

Eric

That photo came from the Ford Price List of Body Parts. Covers all models from 1915 to 1927 with views of the body sections, and complete list of all parts with factory numbers. Avail. from suppliers in reprint, example: Lang's cat. # T-10, $12.95.


Some samples of illustrations in the Body Parts book.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 12:33 pm:

Thank guys, this is great info. I will be taking so more pics soon and getting them up. The parts shot of the sub frame of the roadster is perfect. It is exactly the model I have that I am sure of.

I have to go digging in some of the junk piles we have around the farm. I know that there is more bits of old cars around. I am not sure if any of it is model t stuff or not but I am going to look. It is just the being of our winter and snow is starting to fly, so I may have wait till spring to go and dig.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 12:36 pm:

Oh yeah I meant to ask in my last post, do you guys suggest bead blasting (sand blasting) or wire wheel in a grinder to clean this stuff up? Not that I am starting this anytime soon, there is a couple of other projects in the shop that has to go first.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 01:14 pm:

Metal refinishing depends on the nature of the rust or amount of rust in deep pits.

Sandblasting is faster, and with care on low pressure will be fine on sheet metal of the body.





Wire brush is handy for small chassis parts, but is slow.

Some use other methods, this one is dip tank in molasses, :-) , seems odd, but it does the job on surface rust.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Eric Sole - Castelldefels (Spain) on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 01:29 pm:

Thanks Dan. I'll order the body parts book then!


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 01:42 pm:

Cool, I will keep that in mind. So I went and looked at the body this morning, I guess I must be blind or dumb or something. Right there in front of God and every body was a body number stamped into the fire wall. It is F1124. I can't believe I didn't see it the other times I looked...... Now that I know that I assume that will give me a better idea of year and model?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Dan Treace, North FL on Friday, November 07, 2014 - 02:12 pm:

Steven

There were many subtle differences in mfg of the Improved Car (introduced in Aug 1925) as the "1926" Ford Improved Car. That all steel body was a major advance. Ford stamped out the body panels and parts and shipped parts of bodies to assembly plants to be finished.

So much work needs to be done to research what changed in the last two years of the Ford. Records are in the Benson Ford Research Library, but no one has tracked the data that is contained in thousands of microfiche files.



So for the runabout body, your appears to have the zinc metal step plates inside the door jam. That would be a typical 1926 style, at least in the USA. The firewall looks to be without the 4 tiny rivet holes that contain rivet heads when visible that hold two straps of cotton webbing that insulates the gas tank in the cowl.

The lack of rivet holes indicates a 1927 body, as those got cardboard insulation panel inside the cowl as opposed to riveted cotton webbing.

This is a '1927'cowl, USA, no rivet heads, or any serial body number as what you have. Could be a Canada only method to serial number bodies.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Sunday, November 09, 2014 - 03:30 am:

I took a look under the dash today. I did take a couple of pics too but haven't had chance to transfer them. Anyway the fuel tank did have the cotton webbing to insulate it. The rivets are there it's just hard to see them in the pics. The body does have a number stamped in it just like one of the other pics above. That number is F1124. I just didn't see it when I first looked.

I will have more pics up soon of other stuff for id.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 02:35 am:

Hey guys, so here a couple of more pics of the roadster cowl. It shows both the rivets and the body number. There is also a pic from under the dash which shows the cotton webbing. Is it safe for me to assume that this a 1926 body?

Pic 1Pic 2

I am also have some pics of rads and grills. I hope someone can tell me what they are from. I think at least one is for the model t and one is probably for the model aa truck. I know one is a totally different rad that has been put in a grill that are not for each other.

Pic 3Pic 4Pic 5Pic 6Pic 7

On a slightly different note. One frame I have has the Ruckstell differential in it, it has the hub end of one of the axle shafts broken off. I also have a regular model t rear end with good axle shafts. Will the regular model t rear end shafts fit the Ruckstell?


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Mike Walker, NW AR on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 09:45 am:

The cowl is from a 1926-7 T. Rad. 3 is from a Model T; I don't know about the others. The pieces covering radiators are called radiator shells. Yes, regular Model T axles will fit the Ruckstell.


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Roger Karlsson, southern Sweden on Monday, November 10, 2014 - 10:19 am:

Here is an earlier thread where body numbers and their meaning was discussed: http://www.mtfca.com/discus/messages/80257/111490.html

There Gary Clarke sent a photo also seen above showing the "F1396" marking on his Canadian 1926 coupé. Since #1396 is a '26, then it's quite sure #1124 also is a '26. F may stand for the main Ford plant in Canada in Walkerville/Windsor right across the river from Detroit according to Hap Tucker.

Radiator 1 looks like it's from a 1940's-'50's car?
Radiator shroud 2 looks like 1928/29 Model A Ford. (Not much value with that kind of rust damage)

Radiator 4 looks like 1931 Chevrolet. It stands on a 1926/27 Model T transmission cover, a "hogshead"


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Tuesday, November 11, 2014 - 02:01 am:

Cool thanks guys.

Here is a front shot of rad 1. I am thinking that rad 2 is for the model a truck.

There is also a couple of shots of a couple of other rad shells too as well as a few other bits....

Any light on this stuff would rock. Sorry for the blurry pics. It seems that down sizing them to posting size isn't helping.

Pic 1Pic 2Pic 3Pic 4


Top of pagePrevious messageNext messageBottom of page Link to this message  By Steven Taylor on Wednesday, November 12, 2014 - 04:52 am:

Ok guys, here is the last of the pics I have that I am wondering what they are for. There is a pics of some fenders. I am sure they are T fenders, I am not sure is they are roadster fenders or not. There is also some other bits I have no idea on. There is also a couple of pics of some hoods. The first I think is a T hood the second I think is a AA truck hood. Can you guys confirm please?

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